Originally Posted By: Owain
Originally Posted By: Derid
Originally Posted By: Owain
If we continue trotting out the worst our species has to offer, expect our social conditions to continue worsening.

This is most certainly not true. If this is what you actually believe, then as Yoda might say, "That is why you failed."

So on one hand, we had a corrupt pol who was bad at every job she ever had, whose claim to fame was leveraging her husband's connections to raise big money and get media access.

On the other hand, we have a reality TV star with the gravitas of a circus clown and the attention span of a gerbil who has no philosophical underpinnings or moral fiber, and is demonstrably a pathological liar. His money is about where it should be, given average rate of return on his inheritance.

So which part of my statement do you disagree with, that they are garbage people, or that having them at the top of our govt will result in worsening of our social state?

People are imperfect beings. What matters are the policies that will result from Trump's administration. Policies endure long after individuals leave office. Regardless of Trump's personal qualities, I am of the opinion that he will enact effective policies. That is all I am interested in.

Joe Biden is an embarrassing buffoon, but that is not why I opposed the Obama administration. I opposed the Obama administration based upon its failed policies. By itself, my opposition doesn't mean much, but collectively, the voters thought so as well, which resulted in Trump's election.

Trump will be reelected, or not, based primarily upon the policies he enacts and the success or failure of those policies, not upon his personality.

While I think having faith in Trump's policies and approach to govt is certainly naive, I can at least say that the point I have been making here doesn't apply to you. Like I said already, if you truly support Hillary Trumpkin, then that's one thing. My original comment was directed at someone who I don't think actually does support Trump, and did so mostly due to fear of Hillary.

If you support Trump, fine. If you don't, then voting for him regardless is the issue at question.

Since you claim to actively support Trump, then my point doesn't apply to you. That is a different topic altogether. I do wonder what Trump supporters actually stand for, since Trump doesn't seem to stand for much of anything, but again, a different topic altogether.

I do see why some might have supported him pre-election, with his promises to drain the swamp and such. But as we have already seen, when he said "drain the swamp," he meant drain it into the White House, which seems somehow different that what most of his supporters probably thought he meant. So ongoing support is something I do find puzzling.

For who could be free when every other man's humour might domineer over him? - John Locke (2nd Treatise, sect 57)