Originally Posted By: JetStar
Wow, where do I even begin with you guys.

Obviously we all believe what we believe, and we can all produce facts to support our statements. Since I am seriously out numbered here, and know for a fact that no matter what I produce it is not going to change any of your minds, nor will any of you be able to change mine.

I guess we wait and see what is going to happen.

I can tell you right now, and please quote me. There is no way that Ron Paul will be elected president under any circumstances. He just doesn't have the support to compete.

Some final thoughts:

1) I am not a socialist by any means.
2) Not sure where the Islam shit came in, but Ron Paul and I agree about the Afgan and Iraq wars. In Afghanistan, we should have kicked ass, and left. Stick and move. Not get in to Nation building. Someone said, "I didn't see Bush and Cheney getting rich". But Halliburton sure did. For anyone to defend the Iraq war at this point is just crazy. Bad intel, bad decisions, and a waste of lives and money.
3) As for GM, I am sure none of you complained when Reagan bailed out Chrysler the first time. I don't hear anyone calling Reagan a socialist. As for the Ford argument, Ford restructured all it's debt just before the great recession and got lucky. Read up on it.
4) As for the housing stuff. Ever tried to get a Mortgage? It is not as easy as everyone thinks. The banks did the lending, noone twisted their arms. I find it amazing that you defend these crooks.
5) I am pro-death penalty, I am just pointing out the hypocrisy from the right. Doesn't the bible say thou shall not kill? I am not religious (I believe in science and not the talking snake), but I love how the right cherry picks what commandments and verses to honor and which ones to ignore.
6) Finally science. How many republicans believe in evolution? How can anyone with a tiny bit of intellect cannot do the math when it comes to climate change?


Again, I respectfully disagree on soooo many levels with you right wingers, and I guess we are going to have to see what happens.


Quote:
1) I am not a socialist by any means.

Taking money from one class and giving to another IS beating on the socialist drum.

Quote:
2) Not sure where the Islam shit came in, but Ron Paul and I agree about the Afgan and Iraq wars. In Afghanistan, we should have kicked ass, and left. Stick and move. Not get in to Nation building. Someone said, "I didn't see Bush and Cheney getting rich". But Halliburton sure did. For anyone to defend the Iraq war at this point is just crazy. Bad intel, bad decisions, and a waste of lives and money.

If the Islam shit you're talking about is the video I posted, then I just want to say how shameful it is (the video). Britain has turned into big batch of snatch. We agree on the part of kicking ass as hard and fast as we can, then get out. This means NO EMBEDDED reporters, you want to lose a war or stall it out. Having reporters tag along is a good way to do that. War is hell... PERIOD!

Haliburton did get those contracts, Haliburton is one of the best at what they do. It looked bad, so does Obama Loaning Brazil money for offshore drilling. The company that's going to be doing the drilling is partially owned by George Soros, and a big contributer to Obama's campaign. I didn't hear you raising to much hell over that!

Quote:
3) As for GM, I am sure none of you complained when Reagan bailed out Chrysler the first time. I don't hear anyone calling Reagan a socialist. As for the Ford argument, Ford restructured all it's debt just before the great recession and got lucky. Read up on it.

As I said before, GOVERNMENT shouldn't be bailing out ANYONE! Even if it was done by one of our greatest President's ever (Ronald Reagan)
Ford did the right thing, they done what GM should have. When you do nothing except sitting in line waiting on a handout, of course bad things are going to happen if you sit there.

Quote:
4) As for the housing stuff. Ever tried to get a Mortgage? It is not as easy as everyone thinks. The banks did the lending, noone twisted their arms. I find it amazing that you defend these crooks.


I bought a house in 2000 when I lived in Missouri. I did it not expecting to be approved, I had only three loans in my life at the time. One was my truck loan and the other was a personal loan a few years before that. I never had any credit cards up to that point either. So I was one of those that didn't have enough credit, at least that's what I thought at the time. I was surprised when I got approved. I went in under a First Time Homebuyer. I put down $1,000 and the Government picked up the rest (yeah i know shame on me). Anyway, it was pretty simple to get the loan, there were no snags and as soon as I found a house I was in it pretty quickly. So the whole "it's not that easy" thing must be only a personal experience. Mine is a personel experience, did everyone get it so easy? it seems so with the housing bust. And yes, they also had their arms twisted...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...Opinion_LEADTop
That's the link I posted in my earlier post.

Quote:
5) I am pro-death penalty, I am just pointing out the hypocrisy from the right. Doesn't the bible say thou shall not kill? I am not religious (I believe in science and not the talking snake), but I love how the right cherry picks what commandments and verses to honor and which ones to ignore.


Speaking of the ten commandments...
THE SOUTHERN TEN COMMANDMENTS is much easier to remember!!! (1)Just ONE GOD.(2)Put nothin' before GOD. (3)Watch yer mouth.... (4)Git yourself to Sunday meetin'. (5)Honor yer Ma & Pa. (6)No killin'. (7)No foolin' around with another feller's gal (or nother gal's feller). (8)Don't take what ain't yorn. (9)No tellin' tales or gossipin'. (10)Don't be hankerin' for yer buddy's stuff. Now that's plain an' simple. And bless your little cotton pickin heart!!

Quote:
6) Finally science. How many republicans believe in evolution? How can anyone with a tiny bit of intellect cannot do the math when it comes to climate change?

Oh no, it's Manbearpig. So lets get this out in the open, the earth is how millions of years old? How many of those years were actually recorded with ice core samples,temps...ect.ect? We've also had a few Ice ages... that we know of. Now how can we base 100+ years of records, against something that's millions of years old. Anyway... should we keep trying to do some research & development to be more efficient with less impact on the enviroment? YES... and I'm pretty sure we're doing that. There doesn't need to be an extra government buracracy adding more red tape to know we need to do this. Besides time is running out, we only have until Dec. 21st 11:20 a.m. =P



Last edited by Wolfgang; 09/15/11 04:59 PM.