1) I am not a socialist by any means.
I am not certain that I am going to be convinced simply because you stated that here with conviction. :-) You are who you are, but I certainly appreciate the debate.

2) Not sure where the Islam shit came in, but Ron Paul and I agree about the Afgan and Iraq wars. In Afghanistan, we should have kicked ass, and left. Stick and move. Not get in to Nation building. Someone said, "I didn't see Bush and Cheney getting rich". But Halliburton sure did. For anyone to defend the Iraq war at this point is just crazy. Bad intel, bad decisions, and a waste of lives and money.

Not sure where Islam got mixed into all this either, except perhaps the statements about the War. Entering Iraq for the reasons it was done, at the time, even with the bad intel, was coming no matter what. Son finishing daddies mess and all that. It wont change anything at this point. A few years and the place will be another despots playgound.

3) As for GM, I am sure none of you complained when Reagan bailed out Chrysler the first time. I don't hear anyone calling Reagan a socialist. As for the Ford argument, Ford restructured all it's debt just before the great recession and got lucky. Read up on it.
I actually complained venemously. I do not believe the government should bail out ANY business. If the business is run bad, tough shit. You of all people know this, as IBM has been up and down that ladder many times. I do not believe they have ever taken government money to stay solvent. And I still WILL NEVER buy a Chrysler product, and that now extends to GM. I have never owned anything Chrysler/Dodge for that reason, and even though I love Chevy, I will not ever buy one again. Just me.

4) As for the housing stuff. Ever tried to get a Mortgage? It is not as easy as everyone thinks. The banks did the lending, noone twisted their arms. I find it amazing that you defend these crooks.
I'm gonna have to agree with Derid on this one, before the crisis. Now, it is all but impossible without a downpayment so large it would bankrupt most people.

5) I am pro-death penalty, I am just pointing out the hypocrisy from the right. Doesn't the bible say thou shall not kill? I am not religious (I believe in science and not the talking snake), but I love how the right cherry picks what commandments and verses to honor and which ones to ignore.

Fair enough. I have no religious conviction either, although I do believe in a greater power. You can't ever spend time in a hole in the ground getting shot at and not..LOL. You can lay more war at the feet of religion than any other cause, so we are in agreement there. Dont fall off your chair.

6) Finally science. How many republicans believe in evolution? How can anyone with a tiny bit of intellect cannot do the math when it comes to climate change?

Not sure where this came into the picture, but thhe vast majority of literature and science behind Gore and his global warming has already been debunked. There is a climate shift occuring, man caused perhaps, but more likely the result of the earth itself trying to fix itself for all the shit man does to it.


How about those republican jews voting in Tyler in New York. LOL. Man oh man oh man...district has been democrat since 1920 and now, the people are pissed. Interesting times ahead.

And let me just say, it is a pitty that you are correct, Ron Paul has almost no chance of getting elected. The saving grace there is that your boy..what did you call him..Blackie McBlackman or something..LOL...Obama, I predict right now, while he will be in it, without a huge, and I mean much more than his BS jobs plan, HUGE win on some arena, will not be re-elected either.

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