Originally Posted By: Derid
Originally Posted By: JetStar
Originally Posted By: Derid

Actually gov't only funded scientists to put together the atomic bomb. Atomic power plants were most certainly developed and build by private industry. As was all the infrastructure needed to do those projects you mentioned.

Govt can do deeds, but is much less efficient at performing tasks. See the Post Office, or any other bureaucracy.

The military is a different case altogether, noone has ever argued that the gov't has no place building a military.

Also , private enterprise did save the world in WW2. There is a reason we ended up innovating in weapons, and simply producing more guns, bombs, planes and tanks than the Axis. Our fundamental economic system was simply superior to National Socialism.


I have to disagree here.

The mandate of the post office is to deliver to all addresses. In the past this was key. FEDEX and UPS would never deliver to ALL addresses because they would lose money. Sometimes services NEED to be covered by the government. Its the overhead of a free society. Police, Fire, and basic health care were NEVER supposed to be for profit. These are rights in my book.

The Bay Bridge which was managed and funded by the government, and by all of us is one of the busiest in the world and allows thousands of people to get to work each day. Private industry would have NEVER been able to do it, fairly and properly. Sure contractors do the work, but it is managed and funded by all of us.

Private industry DOES NOT do everything well. That is a fact.



I never said the Post Office shouldnt exist. You should know, that the reason some of us like to tease you from time to time is because you are so fond of responding to what you want to argue against as opposed to what was said.

The Post Office is inefficient, that is a fact.

I do agree it should exist though, in fact the Constitution specifically provides for it. Apparently the Founders thought it was a pretty good idea for the Federal Gov;t to run a Post as well.


Also, who ever said Police or Fire should be private? Not me, or anyone else here that I have seen.

As for the Bridge in question, it goes back to the Deed vs Task issue I just mentioned. Gov't can bring private resources together to achieve One Particular Deed... but managing ongoing tasks is a different story altogether.


I was not speaking to you about the post office. Someone else brought it up.

As for only arguing what I want to argue, you guys do the same exact thing all the time. My excuse is that I dont have time to respond to everything.

As for your statement regarding the Atomic Bomb? Name one private company that any of the people at White Sands worked for. They were clearly on the government payroll.

It boggles the mind that you guys fail to recognize some of the amazing accomplishments of our government. Government is needed, and only it can so some things. Self regulation in capitalism is a total joke. The ideas contradict each other. Imagine the NFL with now refs, it would be a total Hockey fight.

We have fundamental differences in our views as to our government and it's roll. None of us are going to change the others minds. All we can ever hope for is that the majority of the public agrees with our specific views.

All I can say, is there there is no mainstream candidate that agrees with your guys views. Not voting is just being part of the problem.

As for health care, I have a great job, and great insurance, and don't need anything different now. I do however have compassion for the people that have no insurance, and ruin their futures and credit if they get sick, and are forced into emergency room medical care that they can never afford to pay. And as Derid said about me, this is something that none of you have addressed that I have brought up before. Heath care to me is a right, not a privilege. If you want to go back to survival of the fittest, then move to a desert island. Oh wait survival of the fittest is key to evolution, and you guys and the candidates you support don't believe in science or evolution, so that is a moot argument.

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