Originally Posted By: Mithus
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you pay taxes and those taxes goes to government and you want a good use of your money.

local,state,federal are all government branchs it doesnt matter, you pay your taxes and city,state and federal government get a part of it to distribute and give you services that you need, like security(police,fire departmente),education and of course health system if you cannot pay for a private one, like a private school.

You pay taxes to the government, Why not a small percentage of your taxes goes to medical care system, the same thing goes to education and security, in the end you pay for it.

As incentive for medical and drugs discoveries, itīs not different like when the government pay for ultra expensive military jets and equipment. The government should pay with your taxes for drugs and give those companies that discovery 20 years of patente rights, like it does with military.

Did you see how france and england take care of people? is something wrong with them not paying directly for medical care. It will not drive any medical discoveries away.


Jet, for me the discussion is and always has been about Federal level. I never thought you had any different idea since the topic was started via discussion of Presidential candidate, I thought it went without saying.

Mithus, I just laid out the reasons why not. What you are saying sounds good as a generalization, but the devil is in the details. Someone has to actually make it work. The difference in how were are looking at it could be summed up with an analogy about building a bridge.

You say " well, if we just gather some money from people and I guess buy some metal and stuff and maybe hire a few more folk to help put it up... we will have a bridge"

I say " well, to make this bridge work we need to figure out which material, how much it will weigh, how much it will cost. What the tension wire needs to be, what the foundation needs to be, how much overburden it can safely carry if all goes well... which cranes, bulldozers, etc we need to procure. Need to hire people with specific skills to do X and Y and Z jobs.. and so on and so forth. The nuts and bolts of building a bridge that will not collapse is an entirely different matter than conceptualizing the idea of building a bridge. If you do not work out all those details, even if a bridge ends up getting somehow build... it is most likely to quickly collapse and kill a bunch of people. Much like Socialized medicine.

Getting shit done is entirely different that the idea of getting shit done. One is easy, and one is hard.

And yes, we all see how France and England take care of people... and we also see how they are broke, have broken societies with almost no social mobility, have rampant and growing unrest and rioting. Both societies have been rotting for some time, both bought into the idea of taking care of everyone.... and both are quickly headed towards the fate of Greece.

For who could be free when every other man's humour might domineer over him? - John Locke (2nd Treatise, sect 57)