Vuldan, I thought that was what I was saying. In any case, my understanding was the religios folk having some say was the same as any other persons/group having some say - not as a "Church" but as citizens.

However, I am under the understanding that this "say" is also limited by the fact that all religions have the same freedom from interference, which implies limited roles of religion in government - since it is self-evident that due to differences in principles and beliefs - govt taking the image of one particular religion or sect would automatically entail discrimination against another.

Or in other words, the only practical way to treat each religion equally is to maintain a wall of seperation; though the term as coined was in regards to govt effecting religion - I believe subsequent Supreme Court rulings have established that the separation goes both ways.

Of course, debate still occurs around the topic of exactly what is and is not constitutionally permissible.