So, I entreat you - please make your case. I recommend doing it in a separate thread but that of course is up to you.

So far the only point you have made is that in the presence of multiple individuals, some degree of security co-operation is required. A point which, contrary to some of your previous statements I have never disagreed with.

What I disagreed with was you trying to use that to make a case for govt programs and interference that had not previously existed (because trying to make such a link is evidently false, as evidenced immediately by the presence of the PC you are presumably typing on. ) But you somehow took this point and turned it into multiple posts worth of Red Herring.

So I ask again, make a case.

For who could be free when every other man's humour might domineer over him? - John Locke (2nd Treatise, sect 57)