Originally Posted By: JetStar
Originally Posted By: Helemoto
No more needed you proved my point.

I will go one further gay and lesbians should be able to get married, I don't discriminate against women.


The term "Gay" is been used as a reference to homosexuality. This includes both Male and Female

Originally Posted By: Helemoto
The health care bill may not benefit you but will cause a lot more damage then you think.

I'll take the CBO office's assessment before any pundit. You must be opposed to Medicare and Social Security too? Shame on you.

Originally Posted By: Helemoto
How long should unemployment be extended I believe its been 90+ months now. So how long should it be 150 months or how about 350 months, how long should we support them. I don't have a problem with unemployment but there has to be a limit.


What has been called "The Great Recession" can only be compared to the Great Depression. Roosevelt's "New Deal" to get us out of that mess made drastic changes that lasted until WW2 in 1941. It has been proven that it is cheaper to extend unemployment benefits than to move people to welfare and other social programs.

Same point with the Heathcare debate. People can go to any emergency room and get care, with no pay, and we end up paying a huge price compared to if these same people had preventative medicine. If you want to know why things are so expensive, it is because we are doing much of our standard healthcare in the emergency rooms. Illegals, and foreigners alike will not be turned down in an emergency room, and you and I pay the price.

You only support the scientist that say human made global warming is real, you don't support the scientist that say humans don't cause global warming even with the evidence they put out.

Originally Posted By: Helemoto
You don't support peoples belief in a higher power, you don't have to believe in but you debate and I am sure you ridicule them.


National and international science academies and scientific societies have assessed the current scientific opinion, in particular on recent global warming. These assessments have largely followed or endorsed the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) position of January 2001 which states:
An increasing body of observations gives a collective picture of a warming world and other changes in the climate system... There is new and stronger evidence that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities. http://www.grida.no/publications/other/ipcc_tar/?src=/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/index.htm

There is a strong consensus that global surface temperatures have increased in recent decades and that the trend is caused mainly by human-induced emissions of greenhouse gases. No scientific body of national or international standing disagrees with this view.

Arguments against human influenced global warming just don't hold water period.

Originally Posted By: Helemoto
Another problem with liberals is that good intentions cause a lot of damage.


"The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." John F. Kennedy



Holy shit, I did not want to enter this thread but dammit Jet, what you are saying is plain insane.

Your precious CBO report itself outlines huge increases in the percentage of GDP health care will eat up.

Fact: Obamacare introduces HUGE taxes as well.

Fact: You were taking data OUT OF CONTEXT in regards to effects of Obamacare

Fact: You have yet to acknowledge the costs and downsides of any program you favor. You make no move to acknowledge the presence of downsides or other consequences and instead post one liners with an out of context copy/paste, as if that somehow is making an argument that the upsides are better than the downsides.

Fact: your debate style is identical to that of a Fox News commentator, except you are making left-wing claims instead of right-ring claims. =P
Instead of insulting all of our intelligence by persisting in the myth that Obamacare is somehow free, just admit that you dont care who gets harmed, as long as your friends get insurance again and you get to feel "good" about that.

Secondly, that you would make such an insane claim that the "New Deal" somehow alleviated the Great Depression is concrete proof that not only have you not seriously researched, but listened only to some of the most extremist lefties. The economy was still shit after the New Deal, WW2 and its ensuing full employment is what ended the Great Depression.


I wont even get into the climate crap.

Having an opinion is great, continually expressing that opinion as fact despite all evidence to the contrary is silly.

Stop being silly.


For who could be free when every other man's humour might domineer over him? - John Locke (2nd Treatise, sect 57)