Ive presented tons of evidence over the years on why B n C are evil, or at least spread and commit great evil. Some people will never believe it simply because they dont want to believe it however. But there is nothing good about statism, no good has ever come from it in any society, nor has any good ever come from surveillance societies. That much is plain and clear, and just because Bush and Chen might not think of themselves as evil is irrelevant. Evil is as Evil does, not as Evil says, basically.

As far as the 9/11 stuff goes, I think there is a "relativly decent chance" that there was... a LOT going on regarding that, that isnt yet accepted in popular culture.

That doesnt necesarrily mean I buy into one particular theory 100%, but regardless of who,why, and who knew- I am almost 100% certain that there is alot more to it than accepted.

Or in other words, there is enough evidence out there to state with almost total certainty that the whole story wasnt told, and that many things were misreported- but not enough to lay blame on any particular party or buy into one particular "conspiracy theory".

BTW Zone - Hillary eats from the exact same trough as Bush does, basically all the evil bastages of our society (Axciom, Seisint, etc) give plenty of money and favors to both. The only real difference between them, is Hillary adds more socialism to the statist mentality but is currently vocally supporting different foreign policy objectives. If anything Hillary is even scarier than GWBush.


Julio said: "Frankly anyone who blames 9-11 on the U.S. is a cook and should outright be brought up on charges of treason"

- Now thats just damn scary Julio. Seriously.

Imprisoning and harassing those who take positions against the state sanctioned view of thinking is something the Nazis and Communists are infamous world-over for. It saddens me that so many US citizens are now looking to them as role models.

Next thing you know the same media owners who have agendas like Murdoch will start forcing entertainers who speak ut against the war rationale off the air and sponsor smear campaings, and the government will start infiltrating and monitoring normal US political groups, and we will be forced into "free speech zones" during political events to make things more rosy looking for those in power.

Oops, my bad.... that was 5 years ago now.