Originally Posted by Sini
Originally Posted by Owain
Collusion is not a crime, so no.

Hillary colluded with the Russians with her Reset Button. Obama colluded with the Russians when he promised greater 'flexibility' after the election.

Why didn't you object to either of those?


I don't think we have same definition of collusion.

I have no problem with Trump trying to reset diplomatic relationship with Russia. I actually think it is good idea, considering that cooperation with Russia could be beneficial in Middle East.

I would have a problem with Trump receiving assistance, in form of intel and leaks, from Russian spies during elections. I also believe doing so is criminal, not simply amoral.

Now, if Trump, already POTUS, received intel from Russian spies. That would be diplomacy.

The difference is that in one case Trump personally benefited, and in another case he is acting on behalf of US government.



If he received the "assistance" without knowing or asking for it or physically receiving it, is that the same thing you consider collusion?
We are talking about hack emails here. Which most would say is illegal. But when it gets put up on wikileaks do we blame the person who gets the most benefit?
There have been many "October surprises" in many elections. Are these collusions?

The issue here is not if it were Russians, they have been meddling with US elections since Kennedy. The issue is if they received and knew before hand.
There is no evidence that this happened and only the sad faced people are getting worked up what I am guessing to be just one of the witch hunts the real politicians are going to have to try and get rid of a outsider.


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