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I am calling bullshit on the science rebuttal. Whomever was quoted as giving the rebuttal refers to "We Vegans". The use of "we" self identifies the speaker as a Vegan and is justifying rebuttal to the position that a plant is not "Sentient" therefor it is not considered "Living" as part of this discussion.


I do not see where this will go, What matters plant are not sentient, they do not feel pain or pleasure, they are living thing yes.

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I would argue that with domestication and the continued breeding of livestock to be passive would qualify as the same reasoning for "Sentient". The goes on to further say that "Sentient" as well refers to "Self sustaining survival" as part of "Sentient" and since lettuce and carrots don't try and run away or grow spikes to defend themselves from being killed, they are not living.

Domesticated Livestock fall into that same category then. Cows are bout the stupidest livestock on the freaking planet. They know how to eat, crap, sleep, procreate, and nurture their young. They don't have the common animal instincts anymore for pure survival of there native species because it has been breed out of them. They are kept in fields with simple cattle crossings because most livestock isn't smart enough to figure out how to beat simple gaps in grate in order to just walk out of the pasture.


Do you have any scientific or at least anyone that can argue too that cattle become dumb because human raised them over time and their nervous system become inoperant and they do not feel pain or pleasure anymore?
I do not think that is relevant to vegan cause if cattle is dumb or not, what is again the cause is the unecessary suffering caused by eating meat and the waste of resources to produce them, when there are other options more healther and cheaper.

ps: Dolphins considered one of most bright animals do not jump nets when people are trying to capture them, I do not see a point on your argument, and sentient if you look at wiki or any other source is used many time to context animal rights.

Animal Ethics: "I tremble for my species when I reflect that god is just." Thomas Jefferson.
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