Originally Posted By: Derid

Its self evident.


Only in epistemic closure infested delirious right groupthink.

Current shutdown is 100% manufactured crisis where a radicalized minority attempts to dictate its agenda to the majority by creating on-going crises by taking both government and creditworthiness of the country as a hostage.

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House GOP passes budget. Dems wont pass/sign budget.


First, it isn't even a budget fight. Budget never happened, this is continuing resolution. Remember whole super committee that did not reach a compromise and triggered sequester that took a chunk out of GDP? Yes, we still following that budget and now we are on continuing resolution because nothing happened since then.

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Dems openly say that they will not until and unless they get exactly and everything they want. They will not even negotiate.


You are off your rocker Derid. GOP is attempting to repeal law of the land that was affirmed by Supreme Court without control of the presidency or senate. This is not a budget measure, this is legislative agenda. Not only that, but GOP is only making demands - there is nothing offered in exchange (give us this or else government shut down), so you can't even call that negotiation.

So lets call things proper names - Democrats are standing their ground and refusing demands by GOP.

If GOP doesn't like ACA - they should win more elections and get control of the Senate and Presidency and pass the bill repealing it. This is how our founding fathers intended system to work. Having minority dictate to majority is subversion of the democratic process.

Imagine if during Reagan times Tip O'Neill demanded Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981 or they would shut down government and let US default on its loans. This is what happening now.

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Objectively speaking, there is absolutely no question. The whole "GOP TEA PARTY " whatever is just silliness. All Obama has to do is bend some, even delaying


GOP can manufacture crisis like that pretty much on demand, every couple months to a year there could be threats of default and government shutdown. Are you suggesting that MAJORITY completely give up governing and let MINORITY dictate because said minority is willing to be reckless and hold the country as a hostage?

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Obama has not a single leg to stand on.

Your slide into Hele-Red delirium is now complete. Listening to you I can with 100% certainty state that your news sources are poisoned.

For emergency detox read this:

False equivalences
Enough with the extortion
BBC shutdown Q&A

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