Originally Posted By: JetStar
Originally Posted By: Derid
Originally Posted By: JetStar


You should read more on Who before you judge them on one sentence. They are a 62 year old highly respected organization.


I have read plenty about the org in the past. What I looked for in that particular report, as I initially indicated I would, was the criteria used to concoct that ranking.

I am not saying the entire Org itself has never done anything usefull.. but using a report that ranks countries by their Socialization level of Health care as evidence that USA Health care quality and availability ranked below that of other, more heavily Socialized countries was a non-starter.

I mean come on, Colombia having better medical care than the USA?


And Social Security and Medicare... were more or less tolerable, structurally speaking, under the later Clinton years I would say. I am not going to argue for or against relatively minor changes, but as society had come to depend on them, it would be unwise to suddenly remove or alter them in any significant fashion.

Also, people have already paid into them. If you paid your medicare/SS taxes all your life you certainly have a valid claim to reap the return.


But in your definition, this is socialism in your definition!

What about the taxes and funding the wars in my post above?

Read the "Road to servitude" from Hayek.
He wrote it in England during WWII. Because of the fact it is the kind of times when using all efforts towards one goal shows its efficiency.

The problem during peace period is everyone has different goals in life. So where one will want efforts to go to health, other will prefer it to help fight against poverty in the world, or get everyone a car, or whatever...
Everytime you tax someone to do something, you have to go against his right to use his property.

Another problem is, all would be good if we had super humans to make all the good decisions for us on top. But those people are just humans so they err. Worst, the more power politics have, the worst kind of people (ethic wise) it attracts. So you get power hungry fuckers which only goal is to be elected, not people's well being. Usually they start creating a lot of systems to either bypass any need to get elected to get some power or they created big barriers to newcomers.


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