Brutal after looking into it you were right about the Checen "rebels" being muslim.

100,000 civilans have died in Iraq of which 84% were due to coalition forces as of 2004 when a study was first released.....I'd hate to see the numbers now. Civil war in Iraq between the two muslim sects seems to be where all our hard work and effort to promote a full democracy is going into.

Was it poorly planned? Maybe. However how could one honestly think a full democracy would work in the arab world?

If Israel thinks they are going to start a new page in the minor democratic country of Lebanon by bombing infrastructure and civilians and displacing hundreds of thousands and expecting the people not to remember any of it.....or destroying the only power grid in the gaza strip knocking out power to over 700,000 palestinians causing water pumps to go down and diseases to spread all in the name of afew kindnapped soldiers well they have another thing comming. It's no wonder Israel has been condemned by the UN for it's breaches of international humanitarian law.

All this suffering and hate is then used by islamic extremists to promote their cause and in return...it's a never ending cycle of violence.

That is why I hold Israel's actions on par with the Islamic fanatics.

They are all terrorists.

I'll take humanity over patriotisim anyday.

And i'm sorry if I offended you ltima or anyone else for that matter. I hope it won't go against my vote....I play games to escape reality but I never pass up a chance for a good discussion.

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I believe the term is extreme left-wing communist fascist. Just as bad as extreme right-wing nazi dictator. You see, "left" and "right" wings aren't on a straight line simply going left and right; they're on a circle. Go too extreme in either direction and you wind up meeting together on the opposite end of the circle as moderate, and being almost exactly the same as the "extreme" side you oppose. (the word "you" pointing at no one in particular).

The problem I've noticed from both extremes is a failure to see options or avenues in life with open-ended outcomes or an open-minded and more objective point of view. Really makes the terms "liberal" and "conservative" out to be hippocritical at best.



Well said btw.


/salute all

Last edited by afshin; 07/25/06 10:29 AM.