Originally Posted By: JetStar
I think it is a joke that conservatives write off consensus amoung US intel agencies. Can you even imagine if Obama had done what Trump is doing. Simply amazing.

Can you imagine that conservatives hate democrats more than Russian intelligence?


Democrats are just as bad for thinking that the purported ends justify the means.

Plus, arguing from the position of defending the veracity of CIA is a very weak platform. The top dogs at the security agencies are known liars, perjurers, and political hacks. Especially Clapper. Though you would be correct to say that GOP is mostly arguing against them for their own gain. Case in point being Wikileaks. Wikileaks gets info they can verify as legit, they post it. When they post info harmful to GOP, the Democrats love them, and GOP calls them traitors/terrorists. When the info being leaked is harmful to Democrats, they get called Russian tools.

But, Owain did bring up a very valid point earlier: the info posted was true. This is actually the most important point of the entire issue.

Since when does it matter who brings the truth to light? Is it any less true? If you don't like the message, just kill the messenger?

Just remember, the people whose consensus is being questioned are the same ones that claim that the US Govt needs to keep extensive records on the emails and other activities of Mr and Mrs Smith in Iowa, because, Al Qaeda. Then they will lie to congress about it.

This partisanship that ignore principles, and focuses on short-term political gain is toxic and corrosive.

Last edited by Derid; 01/05/17 11:09 AM.
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