Quote: "You can believe on whatever you can believe, and it's not about moderate, you do know what is the right percentage, you guess that based on what FDA put to you, wha t a naïve thing.. Look at studies made on Cornell University.."

I do? You sir are quite presumptious =)

quote: "I have a bachelor degree in computer science, and still work as a programmer, if you want insinuate something it's innocuous.
Im studying law, because I will focus on public position to work on a government institution if Im clear on my english, like federal police."

I wasnt insinuating anything, merely remarking.I think its great that people go back to school and pursue new careers that interest them. Though I certainly find your choice of new occupation in poor taste.

Also, your english is better than my Portuguese so I give you an automatic pass on language issues.

Quote: "You can try attack how much you can, anyone with a reasonable inteligence can see that one tatics of people attacking something is trying to disqualify the sources, I cited the best real doctors out there, they are very respected in their fields, all M.Ds and etcs..inclusive those one that treated Bill Clinton, they advocate no meat at all.. so your attack is innocuous"

The only data I was able to find regarding addictive morphine/opiates in milk was by the "activist industry". Some well respected Drs also advocate meat. True some respected Drs do not advocate meat, but they arent running around saying everyone is an opiate addict. Quit trying to pretend that having a handful of experts sharing part of your views provides blanket validation.

Quote: "As same chimps, and apes which their diet is 99% vegetarian and they are several times stronger then us. You do not have a point"

The are Omnivores... and also considerably less intelligent than us. Unlike us, they are not apex predators. Point stands. Cows are also stronger than us. So are lions. Physical strength is not a determinate factor of herbi/carnivore, who is using invalid points here?


Quote: "You also decided not to read that article about prostate and seminal vesicule, what seminal vesicle is not found on meat eater.. all evidence point to a 99% vegetarian diet, as chimps and apes. "

Marsupials are mostly herbivores that do not have a seminal vesticule.. reading an article and finding it compelling are two different things. Also, plenty of "experts" venture outside their realm of expertise and make poor observations and attempt to parlay their expertise in one particular field or subfield into general credibility which they do not deserve.(notorious example -Paul Krugman)


Quote: "I do not see a point here.. I remember see an article by scientist debunk this myth.. as soon I find I will quote it , this topic just get more interesting to me.. "

You do not see a point, because you refuse to let anything challenge your personal convictions. It is obvious that you, as is fairly common, take an assult on your views as an assult on your worth and person. You really think early humans survived winter without eating meat?

Quote: "Are you serious, getting back to this again, the greatest civilization lived out of wheat, barley, rice and etcs.. did you know that gladiators and soldiers were feed with barley and wheat on Rome, not with meat. That their bones were scientific studied to show that. "

Uhh... Romans ate plenty of meat. Bread was indeed a staple food, but meat was quite commonplace.... same with China, where freshwater trout farming became commonplace as early as the Han dynasty. I know quite a bit about Chinese culture, especially the Han and Later Han - feel free to keep pursuing this losing line of argument if you like, but I suggest reading some history books before you do.

Now, some Roman gladiators indeed did focus on carbs - the reason they did that actually was to get FAT. Yes fat, because it let them be visibly cut and put on a good show without taking critical muscle/tendon damage. They also took calcium and other supplements. Gladiators were a specialized exception, and worked to give a show - not reflective of the general populace. Read more on the subject, and dont ignore the bits that do not favor your position next time.

Also the wood/bone ash brews they drank to keep up their calcium were pretty nasty.. and they also only ate less meat as a ratio, not "no meat".


Quote: Again another myth.. as the same of the number 5, meat is for the elites or for people living on north Europe.. all great civilizations grow up with grains, not with meat.. you have to do better lol. You just try to resort they will not functio.. feed people with enough calories from rice,potatoes,barley and wheat and will be fine, as it was on Rome, Egypt, China, Greece.. Civilization has evolved because humans have grow grains enough to feed large population.. The Pinacle of Greece and Rome was achivied with the grains comming from Egypt.
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Yes having ample grains is great, and certainly a big boon. But not in the least supportive of your Vegan arguments. They also ate meat in considerable quantities.

As for my remarks regarding Europe, I am right on the money. European dark age and medieval culture and society have been of interest to me in the past, especially the social structures and methods of control. The "fighting" classes ( read: knights, nobles, and their non landholding fighting vassals ) were fed much better, including much larger quantities of meat - and typically grew much larger and stronger than the peasant classes. The bones of typical peasants put them as relatively small people, whereas the suits of armor for fighting classes were fitted to such a size often reflecting that of a modern human.

Go educate yourself before trying to talk down to me about history.

For who could be free when every other man's humour might domineer over him? - John Locke (2nd Treatise, sect 57)