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Erm... not quite, I do say that eating too much of anything can be unhealthy though. Do you seriously think overeating anything is good? Its just more difficult with many plants because of the lower calorie/volume ratio.
And are you seriously comparing meat to asbestos? Cmon man, at least try to be at least a little realistic.

You can believe on whatever you can believe, and it's not about moderate, you do know what is the right percentage, you guess that based on what FDA put to you, wha t a naïve thing.. Look at studies made on Cornell University..
Not I cannot compare the small amount of people affect by asbesto with the millions of people affected by animal protein.

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Omg... hah.... its true that some cheese has trace amounts of morphine, but the levels arent enough to "move the needle". I did a double check on this, and the only supporting evidence is provided by activists... no hard science. Its like the Christian groups that self publish all sorts of creationism stuff, there no real evidence.. but the activist industry sure spits out plenty of things to make the "true believers" feel good.
I dont think I have had cheese for several days now, not because of any conscious choice but just because... funny, no cravings or withdrawels.
Your activist "Dr" has now been officially laughed off as a quack. There are plenty of quack doctors out there who make a buck off this or that.
Seriously, using Soviet research from the 80's in the first place? Chances are the local Politburo reps were having a hard time supplying milk and decided to manufacture a reason why people shouldnt be using it anyway.
Anyhow, you are now *really* reaching.


You can try attack how much you can, anyone with a reasonable inteligence can see that one tatics of people attacking something is trying to disqualify the sources, I cited the best real doctors out there, they are very respected in their fields, all M.Ds and etcs..inclusive those one that treated Bill Clinton, they advocate no meat at all.. so your attack is innocuous

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Well, congrats then. Also, you are older than me! Since you were in law school I figured you were in your early/mid 20's not 30's.

I have a bachelor degree in computer science, and still work as a programmer, if you want insinuate something it's innocuous.
Im studying law, because I will focus on public position to work on a government institution if Im clear on my english, like federal police.

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1. humans have forward facing eyes, like a carnivore

As same chimps, and apes which their diet is 99% vegetarian and they are several times stronger then us. You do not have a point

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2. meat is far more efficient as a food source, having much more concentrated caloric content. Meaning you can eat less. The fact that modern relatively wealthy people overeat is moot. When it comes to hard physical labor and conditions, cold weather and etc - meat is far preferable to sustain strength and energy.

Wrong wrong wrong.. meat has more fat.. fat is more caloric.. you can sustain large populations easily on starch.. potatoes,rice and grains and beans.. I have to remind you that slaves were not feed with meat, they were feed with grains and beans and were very strong and health, do not come again trying to imply that you have eat meat to be strong, because thats is not close to trutrh and again.. of course if you want to go to some place like skimos lived you cannot have a normal human diet.

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3. length of intestines is no indicator or herbivore/carnivore. Longer intestines are present because food is processed more efficiently.

Lol, again is not what my quack doctor says the chief of The American Journal of Cardiology and medical director of the Baylor Heart and Vascular Institute at Baylor University Medical Center in Dallas. You also decided not to read that article about prostate and seminal vesicule, what seminal vesicle is not found on meat eater.. all evidence point to a 99% vegetarian diet, as chimps and apes.

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4. Cows have how many stomachs again? Most if not all grazing animals have multiple stomachs

See number 1 .. our close related specie...

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5. Early humans are referred to as "hunter-gatherers" for a reason, do you really think the low caloric content and incomplete nutrition available from gathering plants in many parts of the world could have supported human evolution, especially the large size of our brains ( which consume a significant amount of calories to grow, and power). No, of course not - however humans are the apex predator in any environment on the planet due to our intellect.

I do not see a point here.. I remember see an article by scientist debunk this myth.. as soon I find I will quote it , this topic just get more interesting to me..

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6. It requires much more care and effort to maintain nutrition under a vegan diet. You yourself are even apparently aware of such. Can you honestly say with a straight face that humans are designed for such a diet that even with modern knowledge requires much care and effort to pull off correctly? Seriously?

Are you serious, getting back to this again, the greatest civilization lived out of wheat, barley, rice and etcs.. did you know that gladiators and soldiers were feed with barley and wheat on Rome, not with meat. That their bones were scientific studied to show that.

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7. Before you start on how many poor populaces in history were largely deprived of meat, I will also remind you that those same populaces were typically very unhealthy. Especially in Europe, members of the relatively wealthy "fighting classes" has high access to meat and grew much larger and stronger than the weak and sickly peasants they were tasked with keeping in line.

Again another myth.. as the same of the number 5, meat is for the elites or for people living on north Europe.. all great civilizations grow up with grains, not with meat.. you have to do better lol. You just try to resort they will not functio.. feed people with enough calories from rice,potatoes,barley and wheat and will be fine, as it was on Rome, Egypt, China, Greece.. Civilization has evolved because humans have grow grains enough to feed large population.. The Pinacle of Greece and Rome was achivied with the grains comming from Egypt.

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