The KGB Oracle Forums The KGB Great Hall of History (ARCHIVE) Darkfall Members Forum Based on the new Beta report.... Red = Dead?

so in that case you are saying dfo = uosp?
we havent even played it yet.....
uo was built as a large scale pvp game as well centered around guilds..
do u think dfo is going to be a all pvp game do you think people will not play it just to set up shops and socialize as they did in Ultima while others go stricktly to pk or in my case fight people who want to pk people who are easy targets so they can collect their valuables.
i fail to see what your saying unless you have decided what dfo will be before playing
maybe i have some misconceptions on what dfo will be maybe not but then i havent played it yet everything is hearsay
all i know is the type of player i am
from the sounds of most of the posts here the guilds gonna be very red which is very much not like the kgb i knew
i myself would prefer to not be a red target. probly comes from my history in uo its just not how i see myself,so naturally this worries me.
if i became red id be 100% sure you would find me grinding wherever it was fastest to get back to a non kos status
i have no problems following orders but at this time i feel it needed to voice my opinion and say that the color red for me generally applies to the color of my clothing not my name and id like to keep it that way
thats what wars r for.
should i expect guild orders to make me red?
if so then things here have changed a lot more than i thought
id really like to know whats going to be expected when orders come down

as i said things changed alot when sp started it was a special server with special rules and every player that went to that server knew what they where going for .
if you truely dont understand what the above means. i do not think i could explain it to you..other than saying many of those types of players generally where innocent's and preyed on by pkers
and those type of people did not exhist on sp
generally speaking if you where red on a normal uo server 9 times out of 10 those red would attack anyone on sight esspeccially me
pacific was not sp i did not play on sp if i did maybe id feel different but the kgb i knew on paciufic did not like its members being red and im pretty sure that was long before the paladins

Paladins....handling red...

Can anyone say rawr? Rather elite order from what I hear.

Like I have said previously, the game will determine everything. What I am talking about it expectations and mentality... as mentioned prior, it is unlikely we will need to go red since you can declare unilateral guild war. Most of our enemies within our own faction should be flagged attackable via that mechanic.

And from what I have seen of the game, heard from people and see on the game forums... DFO = SP, not Pacific. Specifically, it will be closer to AC Darktide (AC1 pvp) and SB.

If this proves wrong, then we will adapt.

If the culture and community resembles UO Pacific ( though I find this extraordinarily unlikely) then we will assume a RoE and stances warranting that situation. If the culture and community is SB 2.0 ( highly expected ) we will stick with the same RoE (rules of engagement) we used for SB.

Also, we wont have a special "red" group in DFO... the game and mechanics do not warrant it. I wont take the time to explain here, but the info is out there. Maybe if someones bored and wants to start compiling Flag/Karma/etc threads and links so everyone could see them, I would sticky it.

I think as a general rule, a majority of KGB members will be able to play aggressively, and yet never have to go red (or whatever is the DFO equivalent). The KGB had to adjust it's tactics for UO SP to deal people who abused the notoriety system, and we did have the KGB Marshall's who were red specifically for that reason, but I for one, typically never had more than one count at any one time to my name because there was such an abundance of targets to be had that I rarely needed to attack an 'innocent'.

Darkfall will not be UO SP, but from what little we know of the PvP mechanics with respect to attack flags and such, there will no doubt be people who 'work' the system who will need a dose of KGB whoop-ass, so we will have to be flexible with our tactics, just as we did on UO SP.

We also had to adjust our tactics in UO Pacific. It's all about how the game is played, and how people can work the system.

"..but I for one, typically never had more than one count at any one time to my name because there was such an abundance of targets to be had that I rarely needed to attack an 'innocent'."

Is this really what KGB is all about? Because there were other targets you didn't HAVE to take a count?

I had one single solitary account for most of my UO SP experience (That means one character) and he was red multiple times.

My counts had nothing to do with "targets", it had to do with people taking advantage of the notoriety system and me killing them anyways as they tried to hide under the mantle of "blue" and the guardzone.

Honor leads us, no IT DEMANDS that we stand up for those in the right, REGARDLESS OF CONSEQUENCE (which is why red=dead and the UO flagging system was stupid as shit)

I should clarify my last statement about agreeing with UO Red System. I have no clue what UO SP is but it seems that is what most peoples view of Red for UO is and that’s cool. My statement was in reference to UO Pac.

Did I never kill blues? Of course I killed blues when they were being asshats. Did it occur enough for me to ever turn red? Nope. I found enough game with those forest bands of reds at the crossroads, graveyard etc, that I never really had to bother with killing blues.