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Ok so I'm not sure if this is a desired place to put this but I thought it maybe worth it. Please if you are angry just read and do not post but like when voting I think having a place to have your say is good. I know it would have been good to have more discussion about this or even discussed here so if this is too late or unwanted please delete the thread for me.

Can anyone who has contact with anyone who may benefit from reading this please let them know?

I will try to be as factual as I can and please remember my personal opinions are mine, I don't want arguments. I feel that I can read between some lines but I believe in most people being upfront.

First I am following the guild to nazar, I have kept most of my ollo lands so I will still be there as well. I am torn to be leaving ollo but maybe starting again will be good. There are most of us who have taken breaks/quit. All I ask is that people don't make more quick decisions than required.

There are some people that have blurred some details or made excuses about the weekend. Please do not do this, it causes extra unneccessary stress to others.

Ok first this move was not planned, there was the odd comment thrown out there that if disaster came with excess numbers and toxicity that we would just leave. Some may have thought they wouldn't come, many hoped that we could fight. but we had not planned a confirmed move.

I personally would have fought but the officers (romes, donk,placated and bandit sorry if I missed anyone) met only after we lost our scrolls and disaster transferred. When they came in there were no fights just 30+ toxic, visious and personal attacks in romes' mail within 30 mins. A head count was taken for siege, we only had prob 30 who could attend. They met and everyone waited for hours while they discussed. When they came down it was explained that a lot of the leadership was not finding the game fun for a variety of reasons (paperwork, can't do anything else etc). Also most members by this time were not enjoying toxic chat and perma camping from disaster. It was conveyed in such a way I think that most of us can understand the resaoning even if we didn't like it.

The leadership said they want to transfer and explained why. It is a tactical retreat to regroup and be competitive. We have become bored, complacent and not enjoying as it is a game I mean a lot of events were taken for granted and attendance was dwindling. I'm sure there are other reasons and members present were able to have their say although I'm sure most of us will have some level of trouble transferring either land, stuff, finances etc. We were asked to mail any issues or speak up (whichever you were comfortable with) to Romeos before the decision was agreed upon. everyone is free to follow or not and romes will help out a little if you absolutely need it (acutally most members will just ask if you really need it). then romes went to detroy the castle but had a bunch or disaster following him constantly. we engaged disaster in a fight as a distraction...this is the fight people are saying we lost...and we did lose but the objective was completed. i think that the ability to chose to dissolve things was the chosen path. whether or not individuals agreed 100% this is why we have our structure.

I personally shed tears over it but as hard as it is for me, I'm not being personally harassed. I hate the split and anger and will miss people who stay.

But this is a chance for some to also start again or reinvigorate the game and it is afterall a game.

We are going pirate to accomodate the east characters and we are on nazar. Nazar and kraken and morph were the suggested destinations. Morph and kraken are on our ah so finances would be easier however they are small scale pvp and we would probably rival the top guilds quickly. Personally they would be easier but then we would be back to the same thing we are now. Nazar presented more population more pvp and being a small fish however there are friendships there for romes to explain and definitely unity for when disaster come to nazar, which we know they will.

This is some info to help those to make informed choices.
Being pirate has challenges so people need to be aware of this with their choice, that being said I didn't want to go pirate the first time (dysfunctional) but I actually had a blast. Neutral guards are liars and are not neutral, getting around mainland is rough. At least one alt is required to do mainland stuff. I think some trade runs except freedich also will require alts to hand in but I will have to check the traders. Ocean traders and fish stands aren't guarded so fishing and sunken ships are great.
It is also expensive to transfer and keep land etc. taxes are per server so taxes here don't affect taxes there but labour is shared.

I'm thinking of farming gold on ollo from my land/mining, buying apex and selling credits on nazar. Alternatively if all goes well when I bring alts over I can bring gold or if anyone else is coming over, get them to bring it with them for a little bit, maybe even split costs of transfers and bring stuff for a bunch of people.
Land on nazar is expensive and very limited. Azulla and I have purchased a spot in halcy and put a full kit apoc house down for guild use. Tinqu also has land there and a lot of ppl put towers there. we chose halcy as it is only in conflict/war for 6 hrs or so a day...the rest is peace and we can't be hit...but neutral guards suck. We have also acquired some other properties for production for ourselves. don't be afraid of karkasse...there are free 16 spots up there. Think land on ollo about 12 mths ago? 8x8s are available so storage towers rule. We will need to band together more, solo gold trader to freedich with 3 ships won't be possible. Help out people and ask for help as well. That goes for alts and help too.

Back on ollo help each other and if you are undecided just wait a little and see. Start an alt or maybe they will do the account bound stuff one day. I hope we can all be together and all can be well again.

Thank you for this post Viria.
I hope everyone who has any questions or concerns about what happened to read this in it entirety. It is definitely worth the read.

I also want to point out that more than 50% of the guild was online when the meeting was held and more than 50% of the total guild voiced their opinion to transfer OR did not speak out against in when we asked people to talk and/or mail us with their concerns. We had 4 people at the meeting state they did not want to transfer; however, of those 4, 2 have already made their way over to Nazar (some on new characters and some just broke down and transferred.) By utilizing the distraction Viria mentioned above, we were able to recover over 30k gold from the various buildings that were placed, where if they were just left up until they put down the egg, we would have recovered 0 gold and our castle buildings would have transferred to them as the new owners (except the Palace which would be destroyed.)

After the meeting, about 24 hours later the remainder of the guild logged in and of that we were contacted by 11 members that expressed concerns. Of those 11, 4 have decided to transfer to Nazar already, 2 are transferring when they return from their trips and 5 it seems will 100% be staying on Ollo and or leaving AA (which is perfectly acceptable.) We do what we can to make sure everyone is enjoying their gametime as again, it is a game; however, you can never satisfy everybody.

One final note: No one in the guild should feel bullied when they are playing nor should there be people stalked on RL social media and such to use against them in-game. Those who have transferred seem to be having much more fun so far on Nazar, but everything is fun in the beginning and only time will tell how it will go from here.

I admit I'm lost as hell, and my opinion matter's little in AA, as if it ever did. So basically, you determined (KGB) to move to move to a new server? Is this a transfer or did you have to start from scratch, which I can't imagine by the way. And it sounds as if message versus intent versus application did not go well, and as usual, people's feelings got hurt when their perception of the events did not match their desire.

All I know is the AA is and was fun, but dominated to much of my real life. Romeo has done a phenominal job, probably the single most successful leadership of a faction since UO time, in my humble opinion, and while I did not agree with 40% of the choices he made in AA for the guild, you can't argue his success. So, past that, whatever folks heartburn is, you can bank on this sure thing, treat each other with respect of GTFO.

The issue is, everyone who was happy with the "free farm" situation will most likely be unhappy with this course of action. But I am sure that this exact situation, although nice for making money, has also caused a lot of people who were playing this game solely for the PVP to stop playing or become less active. Many of these players were our strongest PVP'ers and best geared individuals.

I know uprooting and moving to another server is difficult, especially since we're moving to pirate which has a whole new set of challenges, but it will revitalize the game for most of us. Personally, I am really excited to get back from vacation and get my stuff on Ollo sorted out so I can transfer and start pvping all day. If being on an active server as pirate is anything like old school Ollo, many of us are going to have a blast. For anyone who is getting caught up with the social media warfare going on on the official AA forums, I encourage you to take the messages delivered in these posts with a grain of salt, as they are often spun drastically. Remember, this faction's leadership is always open to discussion and if you have concerns (although the decision was already made) you should still speak up and don't dwell on it.

Your opinions always matter Mr and thanks for the kind words.

But yes, we had an officer meeting and then a guild meeting where we decided to transfer to a different server. Its not starting over new as we get to keep our characters, gear, warehouses, inventories and such; however properties obviously cannot be transferred at their location so some of us have kept our Ollo lands on alt accounts while others had to sell/demo them. We as a guild also offered to help with the cost of transferring for anyone who needed it; all they have to do it ask.

Change is never easy but those of us who have already completed the transfer are definitely finding a completely new lease on the game.

I'm happy for the change frankly.

Assholes like disaster definitely make me wish the game was a lot more FFA-Loot though.

Thank you guys for the replies. i just wanted to get a record of what happened and everyone was able to dispute or add things so that the chinese whispers type situation stopped.

yes pirate isn't for everyone however i like the idea of it bringing all of us closer and more cohesive group, i hope this is the outcome. i will also let everyone i can know if/when i am ever brining a toon over and i have x space/bring gold for anyone that needs it.

And please tell me Romeos you have reported officially all accounts of RL stalking on social media. if it was me i would have reported it and then put them up on the forums and said look all these rules don't matter, but i can be a vindictive bitch :)

im gonna be bringing two chars over once i get home. i can bring more if needed. let me know what u guys need brought over and im more than happy to do so if i have space.

hit azulla up and he can collect a little gold and maybe some stuff we forgot?

also all the packs i handed in then transferred found me on the new server under a new name...so if you need to move stuff you can still transfer before all payments are received. was a nice little surprise

I'm definitely feeling a lot better about the game being on Nazar. Ollo hasn't been anywhere near this populated for over a year. Despite having all my land on Ollo which I will be keeping on alts I am missing nothing on Ollo. There is no need to attend events although if you want to they are normally quite fun and have at least 2 factions if not 3.

For the people that are a bit worried or upset about transferring my suggestion would be just do it :) I think you will have a lot more fun in the game.

I'll be honest here......It was quite disappointing when I came back from my haitus (roughly 3-4 days of logging in for only a few minutes) to hear that instead of fighting, the guild chose to move to another server. I had big hopes with all of the speeches about "giving disaster a fight", "never leaving our home server", and many other conversations (quite a few from leadership) that seemed to suggest we would make a stand and fight the good fight so to speak. Granted I was not back in time to voice my opinion, or to confirm that I would be attending the siege but I'm fairly certain that I made my stance on it quite clear. I understand that things were absolutely getting extremely cumbersome with the monotonous event cycle, but I believe this decision reflects extremely negatively on us as a gaming community. I would have much rather had my ass handed to me over and over, than to have retreated to another server's sanctity. So while I can understand the decision, I must say it truly was a disheartening one to return to. At this point I'll be retiring my ArcheAge account, going fairly inactive in the community, and taking some time to evaluate my gaming future. I have to say that it has been a true pleasure meeting everyone that I did in the ArcheAge chapter; The memories made will not fade quickly, and I wish everyone the best of luck.

-Bubba.

I'm not sure I get why exactly your going inactive in the community because we have so many other games we play. I can understand why your done with Archeage as I have been on and off with it for a while. Would you have stayed if people continued on Ollo?

I did not mean that I was leaving the community. I mean that there are currently no games that KGB is playing that I am interested in, hence a drop in activity in the forums. The comment was meant as more of a forewarning for those who try to contact me but do not get a response as quickly as usual. I apologize if there was some confusion.

Nah, no need to apologize. Just wanted to make sure we weren't losing someone.

Also a bunch of people also play non-mmo type games like CS GO, LOL, and ARK if your ever interested.

If it'd been a respectable opponent, we'd probably have stuck it out and taken our lumps if they were coming for the sake of blooding a lot of our guys who haven't really had much `real` competition, but nobody wants to bother when the server community has become a poisonous cesspool... what're you fighting to protect at that point if the game is simply a bottle of vitriol in the face every time you log in? I personally would rather go play PokemonGO, Rocket League, or even the cheating shitshow that is Planetside2 at that point rather than give Trion any more money when they're clearly not moderating the community hardly at all with the money we do give them.

So, we as a guild, opted to do something more productive and shake things up for the sake of finding new allies in order to help even out the manpower needs while also hanging out on a server with more population and a more positive community. Anybody with a lot of land is definitely having to jump a few hurdles in the process - sucks but it is what it is. It feels like we're slowing down a bit for the time being, and it'd already been that way prior to the nation patch anyhow.

Good for you guys for switching to another sever and shutting down all that "Whale crutch much?" "Ollo is dead" bullshit statements about how KGB is the King, of Shit Mountain (aka Ollo).

We all know why this faction under Romeo is the King of Ollo, we (our Alliance) destroyed everyone who didn't quite or was banned for being cheaters, right off the server with our ability to manage large scale Organizations with an end game goal. Suck it up sunshine if you don't like the outcome to proper planning preventing piss poor performance.

Now, go to this new server and poop down the backside of every single shit talking neckbeard and fly the KGB banner high when you take there castles, break there shit and make them transfer to another server, because in the end they don't want to compete, they want to shit zerg you into the ground and then act as if they had won the Super Bowl after a 5v5 skirmish.

Go get'em Romeo...

If they had turned up and just fought fine...but constant offensive and personal mails to leadership...hell one even tracked down Romes FB photo and made a crest to troll...and what did the GMs do? wipe the crest.

That was the level they went to

So on a Darkfall scale about a 5 or a 6. Considering someone has the KGB group on there FB page, and we refer to him as Romeo on his FB page, not even more than a golf clap worthy.

Now had they altered the image to show Romeo shooting MLK or blowing his whale money load all over Scopes, I might have given them an internet fist bump.

Like seriously, they should have built a freaking mural of 24 slides on a property in White Arden in view of his home, of Romeo riding a Trino whale while getting butt humped in some kill shot by there Guild leader as he totally has S&M reigns on Romeo and win shooting out his fingers and Zena with a german WW ! helmet tied on to a rack on his back.

Now you are talking Darkfall, bout an 8 ish.

Besides, they wish they had it as good as Romeo.

Yea I gotta agree with Jag. Posting a widely known picture of Romeo isn't really that serious of harassment. I'm sure the mails were a little less than cordial but that's easily avoided by simply deleting instead of taking the time to read, giving the person the satisfaction of affecting you. I'll even go as far as to guess that there have probably been worse jokes/comments made in Teamspeak in person than what could have been included in those mails. Where I was raised the only way to shut up a loud mouth bully was to sock him in his mouth. Even if he puts a whoopin on you then you can at least say that you "manned up". I'm still relatively new to the community, have extremely thick skin (as the AA chapter should be able to attest to), and can give it as well as I can take it, so I certainly hope this decision isn't indicative of the fighting spirit within the community. My prayers are that this was a one-off, special circumstance event and that if faced with the same situation in the future that we "man up" and face the challenges ahead of us. Just my 2 cents worth. ^^

Honestly half the guild have never been in a blend before and volume only had a few active members left in it and even half of those had never done blend pvp before. A lot of KGB is very geared but a lot of KGB wasn't very geared. Basically we didn't stand a chance on the pvp level or active level. Disaster not only claimed they were the best guild but still brought over 60 very active people and allied with the entire west to fight us. It would have been an extremely boring month of us getting our teeth kicked in.
I know there was talk about if they came we would just wait for them to leave and carry on like normal but I think most people were bored of the normal in the first place numbers declining from both guilds rather rapidly including myself.
For the people who would rather quit the game I would suggest just transferring first and giving it a go. Its a chance to have a fresh look on Archeage.

I expressed my attitude that I was disappointed to say the least. I would not, however, argue with that vote of the guild as a whole. I chose to stay on Ollo for a couple reasons. 1) all my land and a TON of things I worked hard for are here and I do not have enough room, or are willing to spend more money, moving about 6 toons total ( for xylia and myself ) to get our stuff moved. 2) Ollo will have a massive, albeit very slow, void left once disaster goes to nazar in 3 weeks time. Volume was, by far and large, inactive and filled with to many toxic people in leadership ( or sucking on leaderships wang ) to make them a viable ally, which is why I left. I had, and most likely, will continue to have allot of fun with KGB in the future but that's not in AA at this time or near future. I instead opted to take the nice people from volume that are burnt out on raiding and make a new guild on the east faction for the time being. We feel as though this is the best thing for us as a bulk to do. I don't want to raid at ALL currently. I went to raids the last 6 months out of a guilty feeling to help my friends, guild, and alliance. To me personally this is a new lease on the game as I have been extremely hard core for 18 months. I want a slow ass server to work on 5man, 10man and run my carebear packs. My life is busy right now and will be for a bit again so while I will gladly remain a member of the community I just cant transfer. I would however like to have romeos message me as to what took place with Aeo. Allot of people want answers as to what he did or didn't do and allot of people lost allot of gold from his " leadership ". Fiery has lost well over 2million gold from " leaders" to date so its no wonder allot of people are jaded and burnt out right now, I plan to lead them. If KGB comes back to Ollo I will work that out to the benefit of all but until them I will miss allot of you, pretty much most, and wish you all a good time on nazar.

Everyone has their own opinions of what is "fun"... that's one of the cool things that sandbox type games bring to a community, there's something for everyone. I know that AA is tough to uproot and move because so much of the game is based on your ability to craft / plant / store things on your land. Personally I'm in the 'im bored of doing the same shit every day' boat so although I was upset at first because i didnt have the full story, I'm fine with the move and am looking forward to working with our pirate allies to fight some big guilds again. I loved the days on Ollo when we were relative nonfactors but would clearly swing battles for whatever side we were on. That is already happening on Nazar from what I'm hearing and if we can give Pantsu this much trouble it's going to be such a glorious shit show once Disaster transfers over... I am really excited!

Im assuming you are asking what caused us to severe our ties with Aeo and/or what happened in the end and heres the run-down:

Aeo and I spoke after the Officer and guild meeting and I informed him of our guys decision. He said he was onboard and would be ready to transfer right after getting his peace fund on Sunday. He said several times in command chat how this decision would be one of the funniest and would piss Disaster off the most. We closed out all open payment sheets except 1 (as the item had not sold); no idea if Aeo ever paid out the Volume people from the last few days of events.

KGB began transferring and afterwards, Aeo had begun talking to several Disaster members, even invited a couple into his in-game family the day after they transferred here. From those talks, Aeo decided that he no longer wanted to lock them on a server and that he wanted to fight them on Nazar in 30 days.

Aeo then proceeded to take the last nation castle (Calmlands) which was the corner stone of keeping Disaster on Ollo for 90 days and transferred it back to his alt, thus starting the nation demolition time 3 weeks early and allowing Disaster to leave after 30 days instead of 9 weeks.

The icing on the cake was when Aeo went ahead and did this, he found out that the KGB Heroes (who were remaining on the server to finish their Hero period) and the Volume Heroes (who also were waiting to finish their hero periods) could no longer due their leadership quests AND could no longer do their Hero Summons (which is a huge requirement of getting their rewards.) When asked about this and why he couldn't just keep it in the nation for one last cycle so the Heroes could finish, his response was that he didn't care.

Few people have spoken to him since then and his only response was that he claims they did not pay him or compensate him to do it (even though now he gets to keep his castle, the weekly gold and weekly Lords Coins for 6-9 more weeks, instead of losing it in 3) and that he did it so he could fight Disaster in 3 weeks instead of trapping them for 9, even though he was one of the people who heavily wanted to transfer.

After all of the above, I sent him one last mail about what he did above and I have not spoken to him since; he is joining Barcode on Nazar to my knowledge.

Aeo stars at the end of Thundahawks latest video also

The unfortunate truth is that everything you posted is actually not a surprise to Magal or myself. We had been trying to get ahold of you for at least a week prior to them showing up to inform ya of what Aeo was doing. I had screenshots of Aeo's family/guild conversations where they were targeting certain members for the simple reason of causing discontent within the alliance. There was actually a situation where I was asked to stop interfering with the actions that Aeo was taking (because his true intentions were not known). During another conversation I was told that "(He) did not believe that Aeo's intentions were done with malice." Unfortunately the screenshots I had proved different. I was on the fences whether I would say anything about these situations openly on the forums but after reading this post I felt it was pretty necessary. That being said, I really enjoyed my time (pre-nation) with the group that I played with. As far as leadership goes, I really respect your (Romeo) affinity for giving people the benefit of the doubt, just unfortunately this time it worked out negatively. I understand that real life has kept you extremely busy, that you had a ton to log into during this situation, but in the future, I definitely would love to see a little more attention to daily situations (whether that means an officer in charge of this or just a system in place for complaints/suggestions.) Again I wish you guys the best on Nazar and I'll see you guys in a future title.

I'm going to throw this out. At what point in time did any officer in KGB not see the writing on the wall? Aeo's been scamming his guild and the alliance since the day he took over. Everyone and their mother saw it and knew this was coming. I tried, on several occasions, to get this point across without cutting my own throat because I had no where else to go. In hindsight I should have just thrown myself under the bus and quit. He sat for the last month and purposely caused additional drama in KGB, just to stir the pot. I was the oldest members in the SR/Fiery?volume chain, why do you think I bailed as fast as I could when I finally could? Why do you think is a part of why I'm not going to nazar? I want NOTHING to do with anything that includes Srg, Aeo, or anyone even close to them in tells. NOTHING. KGB has a solid community of people that are nice, fun, and intelligent but open you eyes to what the average rat is like in this game. 18 years of MMO experience and ive never seen anything like it. These people don't value friends, or gaming friends. They only value themselves and their virtual world because its all they have.

Keep in mind I'm not going after anyone in my post. I don't want to see it happen again to anyone, in any game, under any circumstance to people I call a friend, virtual or not. If you would like to talk more about it Romeos let me know ( not that It truly matters anymore I guess ). Be careful with who you trust and watch their motives.

Aeo, isn't that the guy that sold his account then scammed it back screwing the buyer out of the money?

One in the same.

If so many people knew how shitty he was, why did you allow him to stick around?

He was not a member of ours; he inherited the GM of the guild we were allied with (after the first and 2nd GM were banned and after the 3rd GM quit.) Possibly missed a GM in there lol.

Yes he was the "leader" of Fiery because it was given to him in a shaddy ass deal with SPooney. Just like it was "his" castle. The sad reality is that most of us ignored him like the plague and anytime shit got tough he bailed and I took over out of loyalty to my guildies and friends, nothing more. Ive been trying to backstab him for over a year and the only answers were to leave and make my own huge guild to ally with KGB ( I don't have the time ) or just bail to a small guild and go 100% casual. There was NO other option on the east faction at all, nothing. If even ONE capable person could have stepped up his ass was gone long ago. Keep in mind I was also trying to do my work against him with Hansl... and I think we can all guess his character and morals now. I had presented the idea of everyone east going to KGB2 in the nation but hansl shot that down as well. Figured we could let KGB govern us and a few officers would keep the peace. I tried... really did.. but burnt out on people like him as well.

Aeo was the one that recently applied to join, right? Or am I confusing him with someone else that put an app in.

Srgkill was the recent application that was dropped who was one of the Officers of Fiery; probably thinking about him.

Magal was also an officer in Fiery; however, he was one of the first to leave Fiery and join us.

Any even though I'm not on Nazar, I have no plans to leave the community either !

Wow, what a story. I am actually sorry I missed the political smear stuff. That is my specialty. Next time, someone let Tas and I know and we can turn on the smear :-)

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