The KGB Oracle Forums General Public Discussion (SPECIAL ACCESS) KGB Political Debate Central Ryan's "Roadmap for America's Future"

Stop spamming Red. This is second time I am asking you.

Small: telling the sad story of the closing of the Janesville GM plant, and clearly implying that this was one more casualty of the Obama-unemployment era. Whereas of course the plant was shuttered before Obama even took office.

Medium: telling that story on the assumption that no one would say, "Wait a minute: wasn't Obama the guy who was pushing the big auto-industry bailout, which your nominee and your party opposed? So wouldn't there have been a lot more closed plants if you'd had your way?"

Large: blasting Obama for not enacting the outlook of the Simpson-Bowles commission, without noting that Ryan himself was on the commission and voted against its recommendations because they included tax increases as well as spending cuts.

Large: blasting Obama for proposed cuts in Medicare without noting that Ryan has proposed those same cuts and much more.

Which is bigger...

Hands down making national political speech and knowingly misstating policy/debate facts. He went out and knowingly lied to nation's face and didn't resign afterwards.

I agree that your partisanship is the root cause of your disconnect from the reality. What surprising is that you would try to justify Ryan in such clear-case.

More on Ryan, looks like he is compulsive... marathon claims now surface, where he again made up something easily verifiable as false. Alone "marathon" claims isn't a big deal, but it does show the pattern of reckless claim-making.

Back on the campaign trail this weekend following the Republican National Convention, vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan recommended more than $120 million in cuts to what he called the "excessive, wasteful, and frankly irresponsible" amount of money being spent to elect Mitt Romney.