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You may think I am stupid, but it is the second four years where a president has nothing to lose where they have the most influence and will go with their gut and real core values.

My personal political views are much more liberal (Duh!), and in line with Obama's. The social issues, human rights, and the infiltration of the religious right into our laws are just plain scary to me.

Watching the Koch brothers funding Citizens United and buying Clarence Thomas right in front of our faces is a prime example of what I personally want to fight against.

Justices Thomas and Scalia have both been frequent guests of the Kochs. Between 2003 and 2007, Virginia Thomas, wife of Justice Thomas, was paid $686,589 by the Heritage Foundation, which was funded by David and Charles Koch.

These are the same guys planning on spending $400,000,000 on electing the Romney team.

To me, the choice is totally clear.

Thats the great question of the day. My general position is that he is more deserving of the chance because it is not yet known that he will be.

As I said earlier, I put it at about 80% that Romney would be as bad. It would be 100% except he is independently wealthy and Mormon. So he may not feel as much like he has to succumb to outside pressure and actually surprise some people with some honest govt.

Honestly, after finding out that Obama is a pathological liar and an extremist at heart... the thought of 4 more years of Omaba "following his gut" genuinely terrifies me.

Plus I am not sure its true... yeah its "conventional wisdom" because it "sounds logical"... but looking back on the second terms of recent Presidents, I cannot say that you could actually make much of a case from empirical evidence.

Rather, the influence of corruption at the top has time to penetrate even further.. and entrenched folks who are temped to follow the dark path are emboldened to try.

In Obamas case, I think that Valerie Jarret and Eric Holder are genuinely terrifying people who need to be removed from the nexus of power ASAP lest they leave a legacy more damaging than Rove and Cheney.

Maybe the next guy will be as bad.... but I figure its better to find out sooner rather than later. Giving corrupt POS only 4 years at a turn instead of 8 might be small solace, but its probably the best that can be accomplished right now.

I don't think you're stupid for thinking that. Obama himself told Medvedev that exact thing when he thought no one was listening. I just hope that Derid's assessment is right and O was lying when he said it.

That's really discouraging.

I'm not a big fan of Ryan. Rubio would have been a better pick, and before people start saying he's not experienced enough need to think back 4 years ago to the shit sandwich that was voted in office.

What about the Ryan pick?

Interesting political analysis. Choice quotes:

Well then The Atlantic needs to get their heads out of their collective asses. What do they think the Tea Party movement is, if not a "civil war" over conservative principles and values?

Tea Party taking over GOP will be the end of conservatism in our lifetime. They are socially conservative (god hate fags), fiscally irresponsible (get your hands off my medicare), don't understand how society works (cutting deps of education, EPA and a number of others).

Fortunately, Tea Party only popular with rural and old white crotchety man. Young, urban and ethnically diverse population will have none of that.

Have you see TV show Glee? That what voter of tomorrow will look like. Now try selling TP to them.

I dont think that your last post is particularly accurate. See huge crowds that Ron Paul draws. I think that a lot of young people are realizing that the cake is a lie, and so are all the promises made by Big Govt. I think that the Tea Party social conservativeness is vastly overhyped by the media.

Also, Glee? I have not seen it.. but nonetheless... I have never seen any TV show produced in my entire life that even marginally resembled reality in regards to how contemporary young people actually act or think.

Dept of education necessary for society? Not by a long shot. The EPA has a place in principle, but could certainly use a re-inventing.

I think your prejudices and assumptions are showing again.