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Last I looked GOP had the majority, hence a GOP speaker. Not sure where you get off talking about minority. In any case a bare majority screwing over the lives of the minority is not justice, its tyranny. Its just wrong. You will never get anywhere with that line of argument for both reasons.

You are so set on Obamacare ASAP you want to put everyone through Shadowbane launch. GG. Please tell how that makes a lick of sense.

Oh and I wasnt going to talk about cost.

I may however talk about THIS They hadnt even finished the site a bare month before launch. Yes, that is a Obamacare contractor looking for help on Java forums.

You really have no conception of how a Republic is supposed to work do you?

Please, after you continuously pushing argument that GOP that controls ONE out of TWO legislative chambers and not even by popular vote and has a democratic president is perfectly fine to DICTATE LEGISLATURE by threatening function of the government AND credit and faith of US... you are not the one to talk about "how a Republic is suppose to work".

In your tra-la-la land anything is possible. Meanwhile in US GOP is grossly abusing the process and attempting to expand power of congress by declaration. Remember all these rants you wrote about Obama expanding power of The Oval Office? Well, now you exposed yourself for a hypocritical partisan hack by unquestionably supporting these shenanigans.

Huh? Too many great leaps there. Does not follow at all. Congress is supposed to set spending. Its not an expanded power, its what they are supposed to do.

Modern political optics make it seem as though a President should dictate.. but thats not the case. So Obama beat a guy who made some unrelated unpopular comments who wanted to quadruple military spending and maintain the police state. So what?

You keep going on about Obama being re-elected. As if thats some kind of mandate. Its not. There is a lot more that goes into a Presidential election than any one issue. Saying that a President should get whatever he wants because he was elected... thats like how Banana Republics and African countries' politics work. Ones that are ruled by strongmen, not strong institutions.

Obama may want to be a strongman, and I am constantly flabbergasted by your support of such.

The reason the House initiates spending was quite intentional, and meant as a check on govt. The House being closest to the people holding the purse strings was quite deliberate. As I noted before, when you try to make Constitutional or structural govt arguments against someone like myself who is well versed in these topics you just end up looking foolish.

Heres another news flash... Obamacare isnt popular. Its deeply unpopular. The fact is people were so busy reacting against Bush that Dems had a window to railroad the country. The Dems didnt have a majority of three branches at the time because people wanted Obamacare. People were just reacting to the mistakes of the GOP. After Obamacare the Dems lost the House. They still lost the House in the last election.

Despite Obama being favored over Romney, the country still does not want Obama and the Dems to have a blank check to do whatever the hell they want unopposed. The country also does not want Obamacare. There is only one partisan hack here, and its the guy who wants Shadowbane Launch health care system at all costs, based on really poorly constructed arguments.

You don't even know how the system works, why the hell is anyone even responding to you???????

You are projecting.



Only if you define spending as EVERYTHING. Spending is, given Priority A or B and X$, what share of money do I allocate? This is also called budgeting. Spending isn't - we chose to effectively repeal law of the land by setting spending to zero. Defund ACA first, then EPA, then Food Stamps, then we have Congress with absolute power.



If you don't like democratic process and consequences of thereof, you are very welcome to move to Somalia.



False equivalence and red herring. President doesn't get whatever he wants, and has negotiated a lot of concessions with GOP. Exactly opposite is true - Congress majority decided that they are entitled to get whatever they want (repeal law of the land) despite not having the votes for it.



Above is a tin-foiled idiocy and hyperbola. Turn off your FOX NEWS.



Correct. This never meant to be backseat driving on legislative agenda AND retroactive veto for all existing legislature. It could be ACA, it could be Civil Rights Act of 1964 - doesn't matter. Congress doesn't get to decide what is law of the land is going to be outside of passing legislature by both chambers and getting it signed by president process.




"Closest to the people" is shallow argument in this case.

More Popular Than Congress





Indeed.



With conservatives that funneled SuperPAC sized money into FUDing the issue? Obviously, preaching to the choir worked, but rest of the country... not so much.

How unpopular or popular is Obamacare?

I think thats about the most silliness I have ever seen in one post. Your thinking just does not follow any acknowledged train of logic.

I mean really, I point out that there are many factors that go into a Presidential election and Obamas reelection does not equate to an Obamacare popular mandate... and you cry "Somalia" again.

That 59 percent quote about Obamacare was 59 percent of that particular push poll (also check the wording) would have preferred not to shut govt down to kill Obamacare. But also note that the poll itself is not mentioned in the article. Only the QUOTE FROM HARRY REID was mentioned. Again, THE QUOTE FROM HARRY REID.

You just TOOK A QUOTE FROM HARRY REID AS FACT.

See actual polls... like the USA Today poll actually linked in article:

"OK, but most unpopular law in the history of the United States? A recent USA Today poll shows that 42 percent of Americans approve of the law, while 53 percent disapprove of it."

You should really take your blinders off. I know siding with Dems against "Tea Party" really fits into your social and self image. But it is extremely counter productive from any objective angle.

Please, you are still fighting yesteryear battles. Your side lost ACA fight years ago, quit crying over spilled milk already.

Please get back on your meds, we like it when you at least have a possible sense of logic.