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Got to love the global warming talk, if you want to make money start a research company called GLOBAL WARMING AND HOW IT WILL KILL YOU, then the government and movie stars will give you lots of cash to prove Global Warming.

The fact is that Global warming is now a money maker and people will lie and cheat to keep it going.


Sallie Baliunas, astronomer, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics:

"Most of the increase in the air's concentration of greenhouse gases from human activities--over 80 percent--occurred after the 1940s. That means that the strong early 20th century warming must be largely, if not entirely, natural."[26]"The coincident changes in the sun's changing energy output and temperature records on earth tend to argue that the sun has driven a major portion of the 20th century temperature change."

A darling of the anti-climate movement, Baliunas has been a central scientist in the fight against action on climate change. She is used by virtually all of the Exxon-funded front groups as their scientific expert.

Baliunas' principal areas of interest include solar influence on climate change, the ozone layer and global warming. Baliunas views sunspots at the cause of climate change rather than carbon dioxide. Her articles are often tagged with the caveat: "[Baliunas''] remarks represent her own opinions and do not necessarily reflect those of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics." Baliunas wrote "The Ozone Crisis" , "Are Human Activities Causing Global Warming?" and "Ozone and Global Warming, Are the problems Real?" for the George C. Marshall Institute. In the mid to late 1990 she also worked with the Global Climate Coalition, a special interest group of coal, oil and utility companies, set up to lobby against international action on climate change. (NCPPR expert guide, 1996)

Accoding to Baliunas' biography, "She has written over 200 scientific research articles. In 1991, Discover magazine profiled her as one of America's outstanding women scientists. She was technical consultant for a science-fiction television series, "Gene Roddenberry's Earth: Final Conflict," airing 1997 �2001. She received her M.A. (1975) and Ph.D. (1980) degrees in Astrophysics from Harvard University." (http://www.cfactcampus.org/site/printspeaker.asp?idspeaker=3)


"[T]he recent warming trend in the surface temperature record cannot be caused by the increase of human-made greenhouse gases in the air." "One can have surface warming from a variety of reasons. So the key layer of air to look at is the one-to-five-mile up layer of air. ... Now, this is the layer of air sensitive to the human-made warming effect, and the layer that must warm at least as much as the surface according to the computer simulations. Yet, the projected warming from human activities can't be found in the low troposphere in any great degree."

Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa:

Ian D. Clark is a professor in the Department of Earth Sciences at the University of Ottawa (Canada), who has been writing about geoscience and geochemistry since at least 1982.[1] His graduate work in isotope hydrogeology was at the University of Waterloo and the University of Paris.[2] Clark has written numerous articles for the Canadian Journal of Earth Sciences, for over 25 years, but has no peer-reviewed publications on anthropogenic climate change.[1]
In the 2007 UK television documentary "The Great Global Warming Swindle", he states that changes in global temperature correlate with solar activity, saying "Solar activity of the last hundred years, over the last several hundred years correlates very nicely on a decadal basis, with sea ice and Arctic temperatures."[3] Data in the graph Clark defends were modified from the original publication, leading to suggestions among practicing climate scientists that these data were falsified to improve the apparent correlation between solar activity and temperature.

I can already hear Jet making up reasons these scientist are wrong like a good socialist liberal co2 hating Californian he is.

One of the most oft-cited reports is from the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), a scientific body considered the leading international organization on climate science. It includes the scientific consensus of thousands of researchers from 194 countries.

"Most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations," the most recent report states. "The observed widespread warming of the atmosphere and ocean, together with ice mass loss, support the conclusion that it is extremely unlikely that global climate change of the past 50 years can be explained without external forcing, and very likely that it is not due to known natural causes alone." (External forcing refers to anything outside of the normal climate system that changes the climate, including the results of human activity, sunspots or volcanic eruptions.)