The KGB Oracle Forums General Public Discussion (SPECIAL) The KGB Back Room What do you think?

If you just seen this and knew nothing about the people that were doing this at a national monument, would you agree or disagree that they should be able to do this, and disrupt others trying to visit the monument?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jUU3yCy3uI&feature=player_embedded

Now, to tell you who these people actually are. If you notice the first couple to get cuffs put on them. The guy had a code pink t-shirt on, and the female was none other than co-founder of code pink Medea Benjamin. Knowing these code pink asshats are nothing but anarchists who try to intentionally disrupt, do you agree they should have been arrested, Any other person would have been if they were warned not to do something at a national monument.

This wasn't the mall, or a park somewhere. It was a national monument where people take their families without having a bunch of dumbass's making an ass of themselves to get their name in the news. If they allowed people to do these things at national monuments, I can tell you I would never visit one. I wouldn't want to see a selfish fuckstick (or a group of them), messing with my time while I'm trying to go visit national monuments. I would have fucking tazed them.

On a side note, I read a tweet from a Tulsa reporter that was covering the Presidents visit to Joplin. The Inbreds from Westboro Baptist Church were going to be protesting in Joplin. It was never reported on the news from what I heard. Apparently the reporter was told by a Missouri Highway Patrolman that they had to use tear gas on the Westboro folks. If this is true, they need to give medals to those MHP.

Watched the video.

Typically, in that situation the cops would just escort them off the premises after they started dancing, and cite park regulations.

If they persisted, then would write ticket them with a fine.

I am no fan of Code Pink, but they won that PR battle. They would have had nothing to "show" had the cops escorted them off, then fined them, then arrested them.

The cops overstepped their authority, and acted like people who were over-reacting because they do not like Code Pink message. The cops fell into their trap, so I cant really say that I approve of their actions.

/agree with Derid.

Everyone has the right to protest, and I have no beef with people protesting whatever their agenda(except those Westboro church inbreds). Just because people have the right to protest doesn't make it right to protest anywhere you want to. I don't think of national monuments as sacred ground, I think of it more respecting other people that are there to see the monument without incident.

Sure, I did not say the cops should leave them totally alone. Faceplanting people because you dont like them isnt cool either though.

Like I said, should have just escorted em off premises ,then given em fines, then faceplanted em. Instead of just faceplanting em.

The idiot Code Pink folk got exactly what they wanted- pictures of cops roughing up people just for ticking off cops.

That doesnt mean I dont think the Pink fuckers werent being asshats... even though I cant say how they were doing anything to bother the other tourists either. Maybe that part wasnt shown, but out of what was shown - was just a few people acting dumb. Honestly ive seen groups of people acting silly around parks and monuments before....

If the cops ever even said anything, it was just to pipe down.

What I saw was, The park police telling some d-bags to stop, if they didn't stop they would be arrested. Its not the cops fault they keep going. For fucksake how many time does a cop need to say stop before he puts your ass on the ground. Even the d-bag that would dance when the cops where not looking was told several times to stop.

If they would have done this outside the on the steps they most likely wouldn't of had a problem, less the fact they didn't have a permit.

They all should have been arrested for dancing in public while white.

FYI this is where Martin Luther King protested, but he was smart enough to get a permit and he wasn't allowed inside.

Just because it is a national or public area doesn't mean you get to do what you want.

To quote our illustrious leader, "I don't have all the facts...but its clear the police acted stupidly."

The Officers did not over step their boundaries. The office explained to them what would happen if they continued to demonstrate, and gave them a warning. The first couple continued directly in front of the officer, therefore they get hooked up for disturbing the peace.

The one in the brown shirt who actively pulled the one in the white shirt away after he was told to place his hands behind his back. He should have been charged with resisting an officer, obstruction, and disturbing the peace.

The guy in the white shirt with jeans should have been charged with resisting and disturbing the peace. Once the officers gave loud verbal commands for his hands, and he did not give them to him causing the officer to perform a takedown in order to get his hands, he actively resisted.

The reason for the disturbing the peace charges, you are supposed to file for a permit in order to have a demonstration, these people did not.

I dont think it warranted the response. I think it could have been handled differently. The first cop was a douche bag for sure, but I do agree that inside a memorial is not a place to goof off or protest.

The officers did right. People seem to forget that in the US you have FREEDOM WITH RESPONSIBILITY.

I promise you if that would have happened in Texas the cops would not have been there until after those people were beaten. You act like an asshat then prepare to be treated like an asshat.

Really Jet, how would you have handled it.

Bake some cookies, back rub, maybe talk about their feelings?

I think they should have used some tasers Hangover style.

Obviously code pink was going to do it no matter what, that's what they do. They are anarchists without molitov cocktails(YET). The Cop told them in a nice manner, that if they dance they will be arrested. I'm not sure what planet you're from, but when a cop ask's you to do something and you go ahead and do it anyway. Well, let's just say your not going to be sitting down with cookies & milk talking about whoopie goldberg movies.


EXACTLY... and that's the bottom line, it doesn't matter what group you're part of you just don't do it.

And... THAT'S A BINGO!

Right or not, run your mouth to the cops, camera or not, and they are going to fuck with you just as much as you are fucking with them.

Don't poke the bear and then bitch the bear bitch slapped you down and then tasered you in the nuts.

Drakiis @ Mall of America

Exhibit 1A

I think the primary thing that folks overlook when dealing with police officers is that these guys are out putting themselves in harm's way daily. Any resistance is met with the same amount of force because they don't know if you're making a point or if you're some nutbag who is about to whip out a gun and start shooting. I watched some more of Adam Kokesh's videos and some of the things he says I agree with, while others are a little off.

Use of force when there is a non-threat to the officer should be a last resort. In this case, I think they had a few more options before they did what they did. Again, inside a memorial is not a place to protect, but I thought they were a little quick to use force. Thats all.

Personally I would have asked them to leave the premises and or closed the area for a few minutes to not make a huge scene in the memorial or in front of the cameras.

As a Police Officer, I can tell you the problem is, you have no idea what kind of weapons people have on them. There is a use if force continuum, we go one step above what force is being used towards us, but if needed we are authorized to use whatever reasonable force is necessary.

What those officers did was reasonable, and well within their authority. When the yelling began, and the resisting began, they are lucky that's all that occurred.

Honestly, I do not see how it was reasonable. A few $250 tickets for violating park regs would have made a fine point. After being ticketed, if they persisted then it would be justifiable to haul them in.

As it is, it was clear that the other tourists were still not bothered, until the police pushed the issue. Then not only was the exhibit closed by the police, but the taxpayers have to foot the bill for jailing and procedural costs incurred by the arrests.

The simple fact is, the cops here disturbed the peace and the other tourists more than the Pinkies. Also, the cop did not know what law/regulation the prohibited activity fell under. That is also a big no-no. It is probably also the reason he did not write a ticket, because you have to cite a violation. ( Though you would think he could have called it in )

Instead of knowing his own job, I bet he figured that as long as he could haul em in - the prosecutors office could figure out something to charge them with from their notes.

Here is the problem Derid.

You are reasonable.

The people in the video are not.

This is what I was trying to say. Thanks Speedy!!



/agree completely

Talk is cheap Taser the fuckers.

As an ex-cop I agree with what the officers did, you get burnt ONCE giving someone the benefit of the doubt and the they go psycho on you and you go back to what they teach in the academy.

Use the MAXIMUM JUSTIFIABLE FORCE to stop the situation, use it ONCE.

Hak

Stuff like this is what scares me about the future of America.

I have a friend that's in the ATF now. Before that he took a job with the Kansas City police force. He was shot in the foot from a ricochet after getting shot at 9 times. This was just within his 6 months of being on the force. Once he was released to fulltime duty. New years eve he was in downtown KC. A guy was getting a little rowdy, so he asked him to either calm down or leave. The guy lunged and swung at my buddy. He jumped back pulled his weapon on the guy and told him to get down on the ground. The guy wouldn't budge, since the guy wasn't taking directions he couldn't shoot him. All this while his partner was making his way through the crowd to him. My friend holstered his gun, and when he did the guy lunged again. This time he pulled a knife and my buddy was able to grab his hand with the knife. They were on the ground fighting and luckily his partner got to them. Because the guy was trying for my friends gun. After more struggling, they were able to finally cuff him.

My buddy said they guy was well dressed and looked to be in his early 20's. He thought the guy was just someone from college that had a few to many. Come to find out this guy had a previous record, mainly with drugs. He also had some kind of weapons charge on him. Anyway, this guy was baked out of his mind on LSD. He gave the guy a benefit of the doubt. He said he learned a very valuable lesson that could have cost him his life. Never let your guard down, because you simply do not know who you're messing with.

PHA..guy was lucky it was your buddy and not some other cops, regardless. It absolutely drives me fucking nuts that people believe because they can act a certain way, that anyone interferring with them is violating their rights and abusing them. Pathetic country of entitlement issue people who forgot what it was to have respect for others, and the officers who have chosen to serve them.

Everything is always about the cops. Guess what, your kid gets in my face, I am taking your kid out. Period. If that means I get to slap some cuffs on him and put him in jail cause you did not teach him proper respect, cool. If you come and get in my face, you can sit in a cell beside him. No one, and I mean no one, is "entitled" and the problem abounds with people who have decided they are and their children are worse. I have a cousin who was ass beaten by the cops in Mesa Arizona. Cops came to his house on a domestic, he decides they have no right to be there since the disturbance was not physical, just a lot of screaming and yelling with his wife. His story is that the cops determined that one of them needed to leave for a sufficient amount of time to allow for a cooling off. No jail, nada, just one leave. He gets in a cops face, tells the cop he has no right to make that determination in a situation that was none of his business, and pokes the cop in the chest and tells him to get his ass out of his house. Cop goes to place him under arrest for assault (yup, poke a cop, pay the price) he dedices no way is he going to jail. He starts fighting back. 3 cops and his bloody ass in a patrol car later, and his parents are screaming police brutality and hiring lawyers and call me to come testify for him. I laughed my ass off, told them I would be more than happy to come testify that he used to be a level headed guy who obviously lost his mind. They wont be inviting me to visit anytime soon.

Do not get me wrong. Lots of bad cops with power issues, and used to be the local punk who had no ability to protect themselves. Does not matter, they are still the cops. First word out of your mouth is sir, I will comply with your lawful direction, and you have no issues. Failure to do so and you get no sympathy from me for anything they do to you within lawful reason. And before you ask, lawful reason is any direction given by them within the law, that you should obey. I do not care how you feel, or what you think your rights are. if the police show for any reason, it is their playground. You don't like that, then don't do things that might bring them. Your not above the law and they are empowered to enforce the law. Don't like that, their are plenty of countries you can go live in where the police are powerless. Try any major city in Mexico.

There are simply to many people who believe they can do as they please, when they please. To many children who have been coddled and pampered by mommmy and daddy, given everything they ever wanted and it still is not enough, and now, they believe Mommy and Daddy will keep them safe. Gold collar kids, who earn good livings, live at home with Mom and Dad, the parents pay all the bills and the kids keep their own money and live the good life. And then join some organization such as these twits, cause good grass roots movements draw the babes and they might get laid. Puh fucking puhlease...

*sorry...this stuff just gets under my skins in a way nothing else does.*

Cops arent supposed to be above the law either. I find some of the power worship here... disturbing. If police arent watched closely, and allowed to act as they please then the effects are just as bad as if the police have no power.

I will agree that confronting them directly is stupid though.There are much smarter ways to deal with asshat cops. Keep your mouth shut, tell it to the judge, and file a dozen disciplinary complaints - if you have a real issue with the cops. Arguing with them does not good, unless your taping a video for the internet.

Let me be clear, I am not power worshiping. I have plenty of cop bretheren who should never have been given a badge. You want to take action, do it the smart way. Otherwise, you will simply lose. You have legitimate complaints, then file them.

I find the statement "If police aren't watched closely" as disturbing and offensive as one I have ever read. You implication is that anyone wearing a badge can not be trusted to do the job they are sworn to do without succumbing to unlawful behavior. That is not only improbable, it is also unjust.

And argueing with them never does any good, video or not. LOL.

Freedom with responsibility and authority with discipline and constant evaluation.

The American way.

Edit: The eyes of the ranger are upon you!

This is one of the main reasons I am glad our department mandates the use of cameras and audio recording.

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/features/2011/06/201162114131825860.html

Unfortunately, not all departments do. Some stick a gun in your face and smash your camera if you record them.

Now, to prevent potential straw-men, I am not arguing that the cops in this case were not justified in shooting up the dude in that car. I do not know, you could not see in the window - for all I know he had wrapped a turban around his head and grabbed something that looked like a bomb detonator.

But as to the cops who went, stuck a gun in the face of the people filming, then smashed their shit; know that this type of behavior is a common occurance. As you said Vuldan, many of the cops you know arent worthy of the badge.

So, offended or not; I find it imperative that authority be held on an extremely tight civilian leash. I know some cops chafe at that, and feel, sometimes rightly - that they could do a better job of protecting if they weren't tied down by pesky things like procedure, and civil rights.

But the fact that they are, is what differentiates a proper USA police officer from a Syrian Shabbiha or Iranian Basiji. If people do not have de facto rights, and accountability is nor enforced, then laws are just so many pretty words.