The KGB Oracle Forums General Public Discussion (SPECIAL) The KGB Back Room Employee's Strike Back....

Square, you sir must have had your eyes and ears closed if you have ever had any dealings with a Senior Manager, Director, Executive, or VP, who couldn't ties their shoes, think their way out of a wet paper bag, or even make believable they were competent.

Boeing has layers and layers of incompetent, overpaid, individuals who fall in the aforementioned description.

Furthermore, when an institution or company puts forward that they are exactly the opposite of your description, and then continue to enforce this "culture" and foist the requirements to perpetuate this HR propaganda onto its employees, and then turns around in the next moment and then violates everything that it tires to project that it is. Well, that is just insidious at best, and tell me how you can be "mobile" in an environment where even the most experienced and educated can't even change jobs in the current economic peril.

Right now its an Employeer's market, and the audience is captive, so Employeer's are taking this opportunity to take an extra dump right on employee's in a take it or else approach. The problem being, once we return to some kind of normalcy, and one can again become "mobile", the best and brightest performers that those Employeer's took the opportunity to crap all over are going to be giving a vote of no confidence, and take their game some place else.

I am not disagreeing with you at all. I didn't say management was competent. I didn't say companies were smart. I said they have one goal and it is not to make employees happy. It is to make a return on its investments.

"the best and brightest performers that those Employeer's took the opportunity to crap all over are going to be giving a vote of no confidence, and take their game some place else."

My point exactly. And some will not wait till normalcy to change jobs. It's a bad economy, but it is far from a dead economy. It's the people that get up and look for another job with steadfastness or take the time to improve or change their skill set are the ones that will work where they want to work and not settle for what is dished out to them.

It is human nature to settle in and accept what you have. It's easier to deal with the devil you have than the devil you don't know. I've worked for some crappy assed companies in the past and I remember sitting there telling myself, I'm getting another job, but I'd take my paycheck, go home and crank up the MMO and start playing instead of looking for another job, or improving my skills, or cleaning up my resume. Next thing you know, another year has passed at a crappy job and I was moving on to a new MMO. And my opinion is, I deserved to work at that crappy job. Why? Because I wasn't willing to put in the extra effort to look for something else.

I think we are saying basically the same thing. What I get from you is that the company is fucking up and dropping turds on their employees and that it is wrong. I am saying, it might be wrong, but the employees can drop a turd in their cubicle on their way out to door as they start their new job elsewhere.

If the employees do not leave, why should the company change its practices?

Here is a joke I learned a long time ago. I have heard a few variations of it, but this is the one I learned.

And one more thought for this hour. It's slow for me today at work obviously.

The whole company/employee relationship goes both ways. Look at what happened to the Big Three automakers of the US. Through unionized labor these companies were driven into the dirt. It was the employees dropping turds on their companies that they worked for. "Give me more, give me more. You aren't making any money company? Screw you, give me more." I say. MORE POWER TO THEM. They got what they asked for and so did GM, Ford and Chrysler. They AGREED to the demands and the only one left that isn't owned by the government is Ford.

Now if you look at the other American made cars of Toyota and Honda, where they chose not to do business in union states, they are doing much better, and from what I understand, the employees are being treated just fine, even if they aren't making boocoos of dollars.

I just want to say that I think your analogy is wrong Squared, at least depending on who's perspective that is really stated from.

Your workforce, your employee's are the brain of the cooperate machine, they are the ultimate architects of fate, you have to factor in the human equation, we pay the bills, we get the job done, without us the stomach isn't full, and unfortunately we make the choices too which ultimately means if you are being screwed by your job that's because some asshole is doing the screwing. Just as Tas states;



If your original statement stands Squared then why would a company project such a diverse, caring, and equal persona if it is a simple machine without feelings? No I think companies are just as flawed as those operating them, and that many seek to do the injustices that they are accused of intentionally and then cover it all up as a paper work glitch, or some normal cog of big business slip up just to see how much they really can get away with.

I have had jobs where I was "cross trained" or I was a "specialist" which is to say I got paid for one job but filled multiple roles. In my last job as a Broadband technical specialist I didn't just troubleshoot technical issues over the phone no, I handled marketing, sales, billing, appointments, services. Guess what i got paid for doing all of that?



8.00 hr

IMHO that is not a fair market value for handling areas of business that most would consider separate departments from one another, or areas where the pay is usually much more substantial.

HR's are used as a cooperate muscle now, they are the brain washing agents of the company, the propaganda they spew is direct from the company and the company uses them as a employee spy. Anyone foolish enough to actually go to HR for a personal reason or to seek help will find themselves receiving lower wage increases, more managerial scrutiny, a worse work schedule, overtime, more work load, less seniority for vacation time, or time off, poorer ratings or scores on evaluations.

I was friends with a guy who worked in HR when I was with IBM and he asked me once, "Dux if you don't like something about your job why don't you talk to someone from my department?" Then I answered his question with a question, (typical of me) "Steve, where does your paper work, or reports go?"

He said "to my boss, why?"

I said "where from there?"

"to his boss"

"...and who from there?"

Then it dawned on him.

and that's why I don't go down and "ask" for "help" from HR. Because your pay checks are signed by the same company I work for.

Maybe my analogy sucks, or maybe I see things different. I never said companies were not flawed. It is the employees who make the decisions and run the show. But the higher you go up the chain of employees, the more their job is dependent on that corporate stomach not going hungry. But you are still dealing with employees, not the corporation. The corporation is abstract.

I see the job market as a 'market' where employees get to shop and the Corporations get to try and lure potential employees into the doors. If the company sucks, the employee can move. I think the story supports that statement. Business are trying to find ways to keep their employees from moving to another job, but they've been doing that for decades. The fact that it is a story now means that it has been a while since they publish this story before. I've seen the same thing on 20/20, 60 minutes, other publications for my entire adult life. Where do you think company funded health benefits come from? That was the 40's and it was to lure and retain employees. But when it comes down to it, when times get hard, companies have no loyalty to anyone and will trim the fat to keep the money in the black because that is their only purpose for existence.

Anyways, the day is over at work and I need to get home to babysit my mahirim.

I see your point now, and I agree, however I have seen company benefits change to reflect not a change in the plan itself or the providers of that plan but to accommodate for a new employment model and once said company met the required workforce numbers the benefits package got dumped or altered again...it's so deceptive and elusive.

It always boils down to those damn shareholders, and corporate figure heads.

I lawled.

the company i work for just gives you days off with pay here and there, and for all the big bolidays they send you a giftcard to a grocery store so you dont go broke buying the overly massive quantities you have for it, they also hold a banquet and give out presents ( not cheap ones either ) to all employees who attend around christmas with an open bar limo service and hotel if you are from out of town etc, needless to say I'll be sticking with them.

damn right you will lol