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Re: Based on the new Beta report.... Red = Dead? Arginal #35967 01/07/09 04:44 PM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,653 Likes: 6 Derid Chief Justice KGB Supreme Court
Derid Chief Justice KGB Supreme Court Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,653 Likes: 6	As interesting as the discussion of KGB policies of a decade back is, lets try to go back on the topic of DFO. I think I have made my position relatively clear, if anyone has questions about how I view flagging and such in DFO ask away. If anyone has input on how flagging policy should work in DFO and you want to voice it - please do.

Re: Based on the new Beta report.... Red = Dead? #35968 01/07/09 04:49 PM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,576 Likes: 13 Utah Owain KGB Supreme Knight King's High Council
Owain KGB Supreme Knight King's High Council Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,576 Likes: 13 Utah	Quote: "..but I for one, typically never had more than one count at any one time to my name because there was such an abundance of targets to be had that I rarely needed to attack an 'innocent'." Is this really what KGB is all about? Because there were other targets you didn't HAVE to take a count? I had one single solitary account for most of my UO SP experience (That means one character) and he was red multiple times. My counts had nothing to do with "targets", it had to do with people taking advantage of the notoriety system and me killing them anyways as they tried to hide under the mantle of "blue" and the guardzone. Honor leads us, no IT DEMANDS that we stand up for those in the right, REGARDLESS OF CONSEQUENCE (which is why red=dead and the UO flagging system was stupid as shit) Circumstances at that time limited our flexibility. KGB Law was specific and demanding, and it wasn't up to the individual to determine which laws would be followed and which would not. I did not write the laws, but I obeyed them without question, as I have done for nearly 10 years in this organization, and I will not be second guessed by a new member with a grand total of 8 posts to his name. YOUR duty as long as you wear a KGB tag will be to follow the laws as written. If you want to go free-spirit, REGARDLESS OF THE CONSEQUENCES, in violation of KGB Law, as a former Chief Justice of the KGB Supreme Court, I can tell you than the consequences may be...extreme. PM if you have any questions. I definitely have strong opinions on the subject. To the everlasting glory of the infantry... Owain ab Arawn KGB Supreme Knight King's High Council

Re: Based on the new Beta report.... Red = Dead? Derid #35969 01/07/09 04:51 PM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,720 Dunlop_Phaete Band 7
Dunlop_Phaete Band 7 Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,720	I believe we should use the "beer mug and friends policy"....this policy states that the player either has a beer mug or has a friend's emblem on their uniform or they are KOS. Former KGB Member

Re: Based on the new Beta report.... Red = Dead? #35970 01/07/09 05:44 PM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,929 Donk's gf's house Crimthan KGB Supreme Knight
Crimthan KGB Supreme Knight Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,929 Donk's gf's house	Quote: Honor leads us, no IT DEMANDS that we stand up for those in the right, REGARDLESS OF CONSEQUENCE (which is why red=dead and the UO flagging system was stupid as shit) 1. Who are "those in the right."? 2. More importantly, who are "those in the wrong"? 3. What separates "those in the right" from "those in the wrong"? And no, a one-word-answer with the word "honor" or other abstraction won't cut it here. I'd like to see some substantial examples. Thank you.

Re: Based on the new Beta report.... Red = Dead? Crimthan #35971 01/07/09 06:22 PM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 583 Saudi Aurora, CO. Bardaji Band 5
Bardaji Band 5 Joined: May 2008 Posts: 583 Saudi Aurora, CO.	There is no room for "in the right" or "anti-PKs" in modern MMOGs. Anyone not KGB is either a declared friendly or a potential target. Operate any other way and you'll still be wondering if they were a "friendly" while you're re-spawning. Why does the flagging system matter once we have a city or an ally city we can access? Is there a universal hatred from reds even in player built cities? If not, it's just a color. If you're red due to killing declared or suspect enemy...so what. If you're red because you're a random douche pwning every noob that comes along...it won't be a secret...every victim will likely be crying on these boards or in-game. Those that think you can successfully function and advance in a current PvP based game using antiquated rules of engagement from UO, EQ or even WoW (bleh)...get ready for frequent dirtnaps!

Re: Based on the new Beta report.... Red = Dead? Crimthan #35972 01/07/09 06:27 PM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 583 Saudi Aurora, CO. Bardaji Band 5
Bardaji Band 5 Joined: May 2008 Posts: 583 Saudi Aurora, CO.	1) You're in the right if you're KGB or an ally. 2) You're in the wrong if you're not KGB or an ally. 3) KGB membership with a demonstrated commitment to your brethren within this guild separates, period. I AM my brother's keeper and to this I am committed. How I interact with others is entirely dependent upon them. Do unto me as you wish me to do unto you and all those other jazzy cliches! Quote: Quote: Honor leads us, no IT DEMANDS that we stand up for those in the right, REGARDLESS OF CONSEQUENCE (which is why red=dead and the UO flagging system was stupid as shit) 1. Who are "those in the right."? 2. More importantly, who are "those in the wrong"? 3. What separates "those in the right" from "those in the wrong"? And no, a one-word-answer with the word "honor" or other abstraction won't cut it here. I'd like to see some substantial examples. Thank you.

Re: Based on the new Beta report.... Red = Dead? Derid #35973 01/07/09 08:05 PM
Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 229 Brisbane, Australia Arginal KGB Knight
Arginal KGB Knight Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 229 Brisbane, Australia	I only bring it up because the topic was about how we felt of the old UO system Re: Jet's inital post in DFO. But if we are tired of old UO talk then I'm cool with that. What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?

Re: Based on the new Beta report.... Red = Dead? Arginal #35974 01/07/09 08:26 PM
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 497 Ken_Kamillion KGB Supreme Knight
Ken_Kamillion KGB Supreme Knight Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 497	Man fuck it im killing anything red. We better hope there isnt Blue healing in this game. That would put a damper on all the red=dead stuff because you would have to take a count to kill the person your fighting. Former KGB Order of the Paladins Former KGB Champion Former General(G4)UO Former General(G3)UO Former General(G2)UO Former General(G1)UO Former Knight Captain in UO Former Knight Commander in UO Former Member of SB,Wow,Aoc Founder Of Chop Choppers

Re: Based on the new Beta report.... Red = Dead? Ken_Kamillion #35975 01/07/09 08:34 PM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,720 Dunlop_Phaete Band 7
Dunlop_Phaete Band 7 Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,720	Quote: 1) You're in the right if you're KGB or an ally. 2) You're in the wrong if you're not KGB or an ally. 3) KGB membership with a demonstrated commitment to your brethren within this guild separates, period. Funniest shit in a couple days 4 sure! Oh ya...and QFT. Pwnt Crim. Former KGB Member

Re: Based on the new Beta report.... Red = Dead? Ken_Kamillion #35976 01/07/09 08:40 PM
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 96 Central Missouri Falx KGB Knight
Falx KGB Knight Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 96 Central Missouri	Quote: Man fuck it im killing anything red. We better hope there isnt Blue healing in this game. That would put a damper on all the red=dead stuff because you would have to take a count to kill the person your fighting. Exactly why the alignment system fails at determining whether someone should be killed. www.midmoriders.com

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