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Originally Posted by Sini
Suppression of factual and accurate New York Post reporting is the much bigger issue. This is far, far beyond banning fringe crazies like Alex Jones. You have a major newspaper deplatformed only 2 short years after Alex Jones.

I am rather surprised that you do not have any problems with social media suppressing journalism for political purposes. Bad actors claiming without evidence that a politically damaging story is misinformation, no worse - foreign propaganda, and then preventing people from sharing it is nothing short of a scandal. To put it bluntly - Twitter and Facebook suppressed legitimate story from a major news outlet to provide Biden advantage.

I don't because social media is absolutely utter garbage that spreads missinformation at an insane rate and should not be the place people go to get informed. For better or for worse, its within their rights, because again, its their platform and they can do what they want with it. CBS has its own platform for getting news out to the masses, their tv channel and website. Same with the horribly biased conservative tabloid known as the New York Post.

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How could we have a free society when information is gatekeeped in this way? How can we have free elections when digital communications filtered this way?

So whats the alternative? Force a fairness doctrine? except there was one previously that applied only to broadcast licenses but not cable tv news. ie fox. Also the conservatives thought fairness was unfair to the right. Although to be fair, Broadcasters did find it overly burdensome as well.
What about the rights of these companies to their free speech? It's a tricky situation but as we've seen previously, ie Carlon's lawyers arguing in court that hes entertainment and that no sane person should believe the shit he says, how is that any better? He can go on air and lie to his viewers, but companies that don't want to spread misinformation are the arbiters of death for democracy and a free society?


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In that case, the only reason you would not listen to what Glenn has to say is to intentionally remain uniformed. As his past work is definitive proof that he has integrity and his words have merit you cannot outright dismiss it as clickbait.
His past work is not indicative of his current work and change in mindset and obvious biases.

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I see discussions of veracity of social media as a channel for staying informed orthogonal to our discussion of politically motivated censorship. Whatever that assigned value of social media may be, what was done to suppress legitimate New York Post reporting based on manufactured pretext severely undermined that value. As a society, we are worse-off as the result.

Undeniably, the main value of social media is as a method of interpersonal communication. This undeniably translates to power over people. Power without any kind of accountability. I see unelected technocrats meddling in elections as a crisis of democracy and find your attempts to dismiss this as a serious issue unconvincing.

Think of it this way. Imagine an alternative reality where Silicon Valley somewhere in Texas, with HQ predominantly staffed by conservatives. Now imagine if this alternative universe social media suppressed "Grab Them By The Pussy" story, smearing it as "having hallmarks of a foreign disinformation". Would you be nonchalant about that as well?


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Originally Posted by Goriom
Don't like it? Make your own platform.

Until they go after your hosting platform (see Parler).

Until they go after your money source (see Stripe and Paypal cutting services to Subscribestar).

There is a californian cartel and it should be shot down. But it won't because they have the right politics.

Also, platforms should lose their protection under section 230 when they start editing their content for anything not illegal.

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Recently Dr. Malone, a scientist, was banned for highlighting risks of COVID vaccinations.

This is the new phase where not only dissenters silenced, but where information contrary to the narrative is getting removed.


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From Facebook?

Honestly I think the answer to Facebook can ultimately lie nowhere else but with evolution of social practice. Just like we tell our kids not to take candy from strangers, or get lured into the white van, we are going to have to start teaching our kids not to get baited into interacting with social media - by explaining how such things only exist to manipulate them.

It is going to take time, and there will be a lot of damage in the interim. But at some point people have to accept some responsibility.


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Dr. Malone was highly critical of big pharma, CDC response to covid, and was exposing incentivization of over-reporting of COVID by hospitals. For this, he got deplatformed.

Social media is a threat to Western Civilization.


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YouTube Bans C&B For Interviewing A U.S. Senator [Rand Paul]

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BUCK: Yeah. I would love to have somebody from YouTube come on and try to explain why Scott Gottlieb can say on CBS, “Masks don’t work,” and CBS doesn’t get dinged for that. But we have Dr. Rand Paul/Senator Rand Paul on this show, and of course he’s shut down. We know it’s just tribalism at this point. It’s obvious. The shock to the First Amendment, the sneak attack, really, against the First Amendment that occurred when they booted Donald Trump — a sitting president — off social media platforms? Folks, what else do you have to know? That was the nuclear option, in essence. That is exactly what we’ve been worried about.


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Interview with Gab CEO, discussing attacks on his platform by Big Tech:

https://rumble.com/vt0wii-gab-ceo-explains-how-big-tech-is-trying-to-destroy-free-speech.html


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Fox News host Dan Bongino is permanently banned from YouTube
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Fox News host Dan Bongino's YouTube account has been permanently banned a week after he posted a video claiming that face masks are useless in preventing the coronavirus' spread.

Bongino had originally received a week-long suspension on January 15 for sharing COVID-19 misinformation.

But the right-wing commentator breached the suspension period when he says he tried to upload a video titled: Why I’m Leaving YouTube.


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