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Sini #142785 01/07/18 06:29 PM
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Here we go again, Owain doing his "La La La, I can't hear you" schtick.

You have two approaches to ignoring things you don't like:

One, you apply ever-increasing standard of proof. Like in this case, you are asking for ridiculous amount of detail. Not even Tolken in The Silmarillion was that detailed.

Two, you pick interpretation that suit you, no matter how far-fetched and convoluted, and refuse to even acknowledge that other interpretations are possible.

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In what book, save for a book listing prime numbers, every account can be verified to the level you insist? Wolff published journalistic account of events supported by interviews. Nobody so far managed to successfully sue him for libel or make him retract anything he wrote despite all the bluster. Until that happens, it is reasonable to assume that what he wrote is mostly accurate.

Your position on this book, just like most of things you post, is unjustified. So just like Trump, you are all bluster with a big dose of denial.

Now tell me you are right because you have a good brain.



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“The one description that everyone gave, everyone has in common, they all say he is like a child. And what they mean by that is he has a need for immediate gratification"

What does that prove? You can find a lot of people who will swear the Earth is flat. Should you then sorry about calling off the edge?

A Clinton doner offered to pay people to accuse Trump of sexual misconduct. If you pay enough, people will say whatever you want them to say. I'll bet someone else could find a lot of people, and everyone of them would have the exact opposite thing in common in that they think Trump is a swell guy, but that would prove nothing either.

That is why your argument, without proof, is a logical fallacy.
Bandwagon logical fallacy.

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Owain #142787 01/07/18 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Owain
“The one description that everyone gave, everyone has in common, they all say he is like a child. And what they mean by that is he has a need for immediate gratification"

What does that prove? You can find a lot of people who will swear the Earth is flat. Should you then sorry about calling off the edge?

A Clinton doner offered to pay people to accuse Trump of sexual misconduct. If you pay enough, people will say whatever you want them to say. I'll bet someone else could find a lot of people, and everyone of them would have the exact opposite thing in common in that they think Trump is a swell guy, but that would prove nothing either.

That is why your argument, without proof, is a logical fallacy.


You and Logic are not on speaking terms ever since you run off on it with Denial.

You asking for a definitive proof that Trump is acting as a child is idiotic. What kind of proof could there exist? Picture of him in a diaper with a pacifier?

What these accounts tell you, is that Trump's own administration disrespects him, that he is not really in control of his people or the presidency.

The simple fact that he allowed reporter all this access without being 24/7 managed by his PR and communications team should be Exhibit A for his administration's incompetency and/or contempt for Trump.




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And Wolff inexplicably found people to tell him what he wanted to hear for his hit piece book.

I mean what are the odds?

People can believe all sorts of stupid things (remember the Flat Earth loons?).

Belief is not proof.


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Sini #142789 01/07/18 07:28 PM
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You could try to spin any conspiracy theory you want, but the simplest explanation in this case is that most people, once familiar with Trump through a close working relationship, see him in a very specific way - as an impulsive child. So Wolff didn't have to "inexplicably found people to tell him", he simply had to interview staff in Trump's administration.

So what do you think is more likely, a fever swamp conspiracy your echo chamber cooked up, or that Wolff simply encountered a consensus among the people he interviewed? I know you will go with a conspiracy theory, but keep in mind that in the White House getting something done without multiple witnesses is outright impossible. This isn't House of Cards IRL with its back stairway.


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You get what you look for, and if you are planning to write a hit piece book, you look for people to help support your hit piece premise.


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So Sini, did you buy the book yet?


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This is starting to get really really sad. Trumps lawyers know he is too fucking stupid to put in front of Mueller.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...p-interview-mueller-russia-probe-n835506

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I actually think that seasoned prosecutor could provoke someone like Trump into saying stupid and untrue stuff. So is prosecuting Trump as a result of him running his filter-less mouth could be considered justice? I don't think so.


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Originally Posted by Owain
you look for people to help support your hit piece premise.

Why are such people part of Trump administration?


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