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"Once we pass this PR stage, we will be right back to corporations fucking us like they have been for years, sitting on record levels of money in their accounts. "

Do I need to remind you, it's their money. If they use their own money as they see fit, how does that fuck you over in any way?


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Maybe Trump should spend more time golfing, and things would be even better. If he reduces his handicap, maybe GDP growth will exceed 4%.


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"My point is that I am willing to point out that there is a correlation between Republicans and recessions but not willing to go far enough to say they necessarily caused all of them. Correlation shows strong pairs of variables have a relation. It's an interesting thing to look at over the years. There is something odd there."


If you want to be coy and back door claim a causation, you are still back to the logical fallacy.

There is either a causation, or not. If the causation cannot be established, it's a coincidence and nothing more. Trying to claim otherwise is fallacious. Trying to claim otherwise after the fallacy has been pointed out is dishonest.


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"Did they though? check out pg 52."

A poll! Well then...

Why do people rely on polls?

You know what makes me think voters got what they wanted? Because Trump is President, and not Hillary Clinton, despite what was predicted by the polls.


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Companies are in the business of business, not charity. Sometimes, layoffs are necessary, even if tax cut legislation is enacted.

Fortune thinks AT&T is a great company for being willing to retrain 100,000 workers rather than letting many of them go.

That move on their part must make good business sense. Retaining the Direct TV employees must not have made good business sense. I don't know what shape Direct TV is in, but it seems AT&T does. It is their business, after all.


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"Very few CEO's are going to give that money back to the people, whats going on with Boeing and AT&T right now is nothing more than a PR stunt."

In the case of AT&T, regardless of Direct TV layoff, they announced they are paying out $200 million in bonuses.

That's quite a PR stunt. I think they might have gotten more for their money with just an infomercial, if it was PR they were seeking.


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Originally Posted by Owain
" They are making Billions now thanks to lower tax rates and they are handing out a fraction of what they are saving to the people in "bonuses" for one year."

It's their money to do with as they please. It's not the government's money. It's their money. If they want to give it out, fine. If they want to invest it back in the company, fine. If they want to fill a vault with it and dive in like Scrooge McDuck, that's fine, too, since it's THEIR MONEY. It certainly isn't yours.


This could only be true in a free market environment, which US isn't with all bailouts, subsidies, government no bid contracts and so on. If you Scrooge McDuck does 50% government contracts, than he is 50% on the dole and a big portion of his gold is taxpayers money.


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If...

How much of Boeing business is based upon no bid government contracts?

If you are going to pull numbers out of your ass, back them up with something, please.


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Boeing received $457 million in grants and $64 billion in federal loans from 2000 to 2014. With a revenue of about $20B/year and operating margin about 10% it would be in the red without these.

It is almost comical that you picked Boeing, as this company is a poster child for corporate welfare. About the only worse example to undermine your point would have been ExxonMobil.



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