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Sini #141184 07/29/17 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Sini
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Did he receive something from foreign representatives?

He might have, but since I have no proof, I won't make stupid accusations.

With respect to the federal elections act, what clause did you have in mind?

If you need a hint, start at 52 USC 10101.

I don't see anything that applies. I assume you know what you are talking about.

Do you?

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Originally Posted by Sini
Hele, when people in black helicopters show up to take away your guns, it will be easy to trace such outcome to your support of Trump. Causation-ally.



This is why I don't take what you say seriously.

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Reminds me of one of my favorite series.

"Well, my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle."
-- Malcolm Reynolds, Firefly

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Originally Posted by Sini
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Collusion is not a crime, so no.

Hillary colluded with the Russians with her Reset Button. Obama colluded with the Russians when he promised greater 'flexibility' after the election.

Why didn't you object to either of those?


I don't think we have same definition of collusion.

I have no problem with Trump trying to reset diplomatic relationship with Russia. I actually think it is good idea, considering that cooperation with Russia could be beneficial in Middle East.

I would have a problem with Trump receiving assistance, in form of intel and leaks, from Russian spies during elections. I also believe doing so is criminal, not simply amoral.

Now, if Trump, already POTUS, received intel from Russian spies. That would be diplomacy.

The difference is that in one case Trump personally benefited, and in another case he is acting on behalf of US government.



If he received the "assistance" without knowing or asking for it or physically receiving it, is that the same thing you consider collusion?
We are talking about hack emails here. Which most would say is illegal. But when it gets put up on wikileaks do we blame the person who gets the most benefit?
There have been many "October surprises" in many elections. Are these collusions?

The issue here is not if it were Russians, they have been meddling with US elections since Kennedy. The issue is if they received and knew before hand.
There is no evidence that this happened and only the sad faced people are getting worked up what I am guessing to be just one of the witch hunts the real politicians are going to have to try and get rid of a outsider.

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Are we talking about hack emails? I didn't think that was the case. The meeting with Trump Jr took place before the DNC hack, unless you have a different hack in mind.

But again, collusion is not illegal. Conspiracy is, but for there to be a criminal conspiracy, there has to be a violation of criminal law SOMEWHERE.


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Originally Posted by Helemoto
If he received the "assistance" without knowing or asking for it


It would not, and I don't count him running his mouth on twitter as asking.

If decision was made for him, clearly he shouldn't be held personally criminally responsible. Morally responsible? Perhaps. But that line was crossed on so many issues that it seems pointless to even bring it up.


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Originally Posted by Sini
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If he received the "assistance" without knowing or asking for it


It would not, and I don't count him running his mouth on twitter as asking.

If decision was made for him, clearly he shouldn't be held personally criminally responsible. Morally responsible? Perhaps. But that line was crossed on so many issues that it seems pointless to even bring it up.



I know you have a list. So what lines were crossed????

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Originally Posted by Owain
Trump is draining the swamp in things he can do unilaterally, such as the elimination of much of regulatory state, elimination of Obama's abusive executive orders, and enforcing laws as written.

Things that require action by Congress, a coequal branch of government, he cannot do unilaterally, nor should anyone want him to be able to do so.


By draining the Swamp, you mean draining it right into the White House, right?

How many people from Goldman Sachs are in his admin? I think its at least seven in the upper echelons. Not to mention handing them Treasury.

In fact, a great many appointees, like Adjit Pai, are known to be crooked as fuck. Trump is not draining anything, he is simply heading up a new round of looting.

Yes, he is a looter. Just like when he was using govt to obtain private property by force via abuse of broken eminent domain laws and corrupt officials during his private career, he is now installing and enabling a cronyist, looter govt in his public career.

There is a pretty huge difference between the messaging, and the reality when it comes to the Trump administration. Not that his is alone in this, there was plenty of graft and glad-handed gifts of Federal largesse in the previous administrations as well. But that is one of the things I think most people would like to have seen change, not worsen.


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So you say, as a reaction to your electoral butthurt, but without evidence, I remain unconvinced.


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Originally Posted by Helemoto
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Collusion is not a crime, so no.

Hillary colluded with the Russians with her Reset Button. Obama colluded with the Russians when he promised greater 'flexibility' after the election.

Why didn't you object to either of those?


I don't think we have same definition of collusion.

I have no problem with Trump trying to reset diplomatic relationship with Russia. I actually think it is good idea, considering that cooperation with Russia could be beneficial in Middle East.

I would have a problem with Trump receiving assistance, in form of intel and leaks, from Russian spies during elections. I also believe doing so is criminal, not simply amoral.

Now, if Trump, already POTUS, received intel from Russian spies. That would be diplomacy.

The difference is that in one case Trump personally benefited, and in another case he is acting on behalf of US government.



If he received the "assistance" without knowing or asking for it or physically receiving it, is that the same thing you consider collusion?



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