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Originally Posted by Helemoto
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If you want to know who looks foolish, it's Democrats who will not admit to their current electoral collapse.


I still think its funny that when Trump is criticized, you just lower the bar by pointing to bad Dems.


And you keep turning the conversation away from the point he is making with Trump is bad statements.


Wait, what?

Considering I'm responding directly to his statements, your assertion seems extremely odd, to be quite generous. His point is that the "other party" is also shit, which is frankly true. I just find it extremely sad that many people seem content with being slightly less shit than the "other"

I'm kinda surprised you're on the Trumpwagon though.


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Originally Posted by Derid
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If you want to know who looks foolish, it's Democrats who will not admit to their current electoral collapse.


I still think its funny that when Trump is criticized, you just lower the bar by pointing to bad Dems.

And I think it's hilarious that Democrats have lost over 1000 seats nationwide, and are in the worst shape than any political party in the history of the Republic.

That didn't happen because Hillary was a horrible candidate, although that is true. It happened because voters have rejected the Democratic party and their failed policies.


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Originally Posted by Owain
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If you want to know who looks foolish, it's Democrats who will not admit to their current electoral collapse.


I still think its funny that when Trump is criticized, you just lower the bar by pointing to bad Dems.

And I think it's hilarious that Democrats have lost over 1000 seats nationwide, and are in the worst shape than any political party in the history of the Republic.

That didn't happen because Hillary was a horrible candidate, although that is true. It happened because voters have rejected the Democratic party and their failed policies.


And after this debacle, they are going to reject the GOP again, just like after W Bush, but probably on an even larger scale. So what?

Further emphasizing my point that both major parties are utter dogshit, because neither wants to actually police themselves or be held accountable when they are the ones holding the whip.


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Based on election trends over the last eight years, that seems unlikely. Current riots, violence, and other Democratic tantrums are unlikely to impress voters, either. You need effective policies, not just hate.

And you need effective candidates. With the collapse of the Democratic farm team, all you have is septegenarians like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.

Democrats have no bench, and few positions for candidates to gain the necessary experience. That is what happens when you are rejected by voters and have nothing of worth to offer.


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Originally Posted by Owain
Based on election trends over the last eight years, that seems unlikely. Current riots, violence, and other Democratic tantrums are unlikely to impress voters, either. You need effective policies, not just hate.

And you need effective candidates. With the collapse of the Democratic farm team, all you have is septegenarians like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.

Democrats have no bench, and few positions for candidates to gain the necessary experience. That is what happens when you are rejected by voters and have nothing of worth to offer.


Last eight years.. what an incredibly arbitrary timeframe to examine. Its kinda interesting though, because if you examine the prior eight-year time period, a similar trend can be seen. Further back, and yet again, a similar trend.

Somehow Trump is managing to tank harder, faster, than his two immediate predecessors. Considering he can't even keep his own tweets straight, let alone coordinate them with his actual team, it's pretty hard to imagine that trend reversing.

If you examine things in proper context, its pretty easy to see that few people are happy with either party. If you examine Trump in historical context, anyone concerned with well-being of GOP should be extremely concerned. The rate at which he is tanking, why, and the demographics he is tanking with should be cause for panic. Whatever numbnuts the Dems manage to cough up to replace Trump (in the unlikely event Trump makes it through the first four years without resigning in the face of impeachment) might not even screw things up badly enough to wash the taste out of voters' mouths.

Beating Trump will be like beating Hillary, you just have to show up.

Hardcore GOPers should be praying that Paul Ryan finds his nutsuck and gives us President Pence, and the sooner the better.


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Originally Posted by Derid
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Originally Posted by Owain
If you want to know who looks foolish, it's Democrats who will not admit to their current electoral collapse.


I still think its funny that when Trump is criticized, you just lower the bar by pointing to bad Dems.


And you keep turning the conversation away from the point he is making with Trump is bad statements.


Wait, what?

Considering I'm responding directly to his statements, your assertion seems extremely odd, to be quite generous. His point is that the "other party" is also shit, which is frankly true. I just find it extremely sad that many people seem content with being slightly less shit than the "other"

I'm kinda surprised you're on the Trumpwagon though.



I was on the Gary Johnson wagon.
I am just pointing out he never said they were "shit". He said they had failed policy's that were losing them elections and Trump was the one they drew to, at least that is my interpretation.
Now that Trumps tweet storms and unfiltered comments are what gives him low approval ratings is a different story. I once dated a girl who seemed perfect in the beginning but turned out she
is batshit crazy didn't mean I had to stick with her, I just had to keep her till a less crazy one came along.

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Not to distract from the current convo, but I found this interesting.


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Originally Posted by Derid
Originally Posted by Owain
Based on election trends over the last eight years, that seems unlikely. Current riots, violence, and other Democratic tantrums are unlikely to impress voters, either. You need effective policies, not just hate.

And you need effective candidates. With the collapse of the Democratic farm team, all you have is septegenarians like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.

Democrats have no bench, and few positions for candidates to gain the necessary experience. That is what happens when you are rejected by voters and have nothing of worth to offer.


Last eight years.. what an incredibly arbitrary timeframe to examine.

Actually, it's a very pertinent time frame. Eight years ago, Democrats controlled the White House, the Senate, and the House. It is the 8 year period after Obama was elected that Democrats lost the White House, lost the Senate, lost the House, lost most governors offices, and lost over 1000 seats in state legislatures when voters abandoned the Democratic party.

Obama very nearly destroyed the Democratic party single handed.

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Have we forgotten that the Majority of Americans did not vote for this administration? In fact Trump lost the popular vote lol?

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Originally Posted by Owain
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Originally Posted by Owain
Based on election trends over the last eight years, that seems unlikely. Current riots, violence, and other Democratic tantrums are unlikely to impress voters, either. You need effective policies, not just hate.

And you need effective candidates. With the collapse of the Democratic farm team, all you have is septegenarians like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.

Democrats have no bench, and few positions for candidates to gain the necessary experience. That is what happens when you are rejected by voters and have nothing of worth to offer.


Last eight years.. what an incredibly arbitrary timeframe to examine.

Actually, it's a very pertinent time frame. Eight years ago, Democrats controlled the White House, the Senate, and the House. It is the 8 year period after Obama was elected that Democrats lost the White House, lost the Senate, lost the House, lost most governors offices, and lost over 1000 seats in state legislatures when voters abandoned the Democratic party.

Obama very nearly destroyed the Democratic party single handed.


And by those metrics, W Bush almost destroyed the GOP singled handed. The problem with your assertions here isn't that they are wrong, but that they don't go far enough. When analyzing a problem, if you just look at data that gives you the picture you want to see, you are almost always going to end up making inaccurate conclusions and poor judgements.

Surely with all the talk about repealing Obamacare, you recall how it got passed in the first place: The Bush era GOP lost enough seats that the Dems didn't need (or use) a single GOP vote.

You should go back in time even further to an even more applicable example: how Carter got elected in the wake on Nixon's impeachment. Ergo, even installing Pence might not be enough to save the party from disaster, just like Ford wasn't enough.


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