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Sini #140943 07/12/17 08:59 AM
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Proof is required, and so far, none has been provided.

Speaking of collusion and violations of the Logan Act, there is this. Just as soon as lefty clowns get serious about this, maybe I'll be concerned.

Either we have to be serious about ALL of it, or one has to presume this is just more liberal electoral bullshit butthurt in play.

http://dailysignal.com/2017/07/10/l...-with-u-s-green-groups-to-block-frackin/

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Originally Posted by Owain


Either we have to be serious about ALL of it, or one has to presume this is just more liberal electoral bullshit butthurt in play.




Flip that 180, and you see the problem. No one is holding anything to objective standards. In the future, when others are caught I'm similar circumstances, they will just point to the Trump issue and say "but they got away with it, so you can't hold us accountable for anything either."

Accountability has to start somewhere, and it is obvious that the current incarnation of the GOP has no desire for any accountability to start with them.

After this fiasco, the Dems will be able to get away with even more bullshit than they have in the past, because the GOP will have zero credibility to speak on the matter. They will take your words, change "liberal butthurt" to "conservative butthurt" and throw your words right back at you.

Not that the current GOP is even remotely close to being conservative in any real sense, but rather has become sort of absurd caricature of conservatism.


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But as I noted, Trump Jr committed no crime. There was no violation of the Logan Act because he wasn't dealing with anyone from the government.

But Clinton campaign officials were collaborating with the Ukrainian government and environmentalists are collaborating with the Russian government, but that is different because shut up.


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Which has what to do with what? You do realize that since the Dems are also objectively horrible, that by covering for and encouraging the GOP to be just as bad, you are effectively saying that zero accountability in govt should exist, right?

"People should only support one of the two major parties, and as long as either one of them is bad, then both should be bad." I'm sure you didn't intentionally craft your stances to reflect that position, but that is what your stated positions amounts to.


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The What this has to do with is that to my knowledge, Trump has done nothing while Democrats are guilty of the things they accuse Trump, and far more besides.

So the only smoking gun I see here is the one blowing up in Democrats faces.


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The strict adherence to party/ideology, combined with the fact that people who seek government positions are generally scum, ensures that this cycle of he-said she-said will continue. Accountability isn't even on the horizon at this point, and the prospects of its arrival look pretty grim. This reminds me of this post I saw today on reddit from /r/LateStageCapitalism (a socialist subreddit, only saw it because it popped up on /r/all):

[commenting on a picture that envisioned a world without Net Neutrality]
Originally Posted by "socialist idiot"
88% of the U.S. opposes this, yet we have to fight this by the millions every single year. Really shows you how much power we have left in this capitalist dump.

Because this person adheres to a socialist ideology, in their mind all of our problems exist because of capitalism. Nevermind that their own statement lays out in no uncertain terms that the problem isn't capitalism, but rather corrupt government officials who do not enact laws based on the will of the overwhelming majority of the people.

Simple fact is, it is unlikely either side of this newest juicy headline will ever be able to prove their case, certainly not to the satisfaction of the opposition. I find it best to withhold judgement until I see some actual proof. Call me a cynic.

Edit: If you choose to search up the post I mentioned avoid scrolling past the first few comments at all cost. The resonance in that echo chamber has probably built up to lethal power by now.

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Originally Posted by Owain
There was no violation of the Logan Act because he wasn't dealing with anyone from the government.


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Rob Goldstone to Donald Trump Jr.
Subject: Russia - Clinton - private and confidential

Good morning

Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin.

What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?

I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.

Best

Rob Goldstone


To me, this is very unambiguous and establishes intent.


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Intent from whom? An email to junior about what someone else wants, which may or may not be true says nothing about junior. As it so happens, it wasn't true, since the lawyer has admitted she has no government connections.

Even so, the Logan act only pertains to negotiations about government business, not dirt on some American citizen.

Information like that is neutral. It's either true, or it isn't. What if the contact had incontrovertable truth that Hillary had been selling Russians classified information? That would be information of interest to both the FBI and the Justice Department.

As it is, it turned out to be nothing, but that diesnt stop liberals short stroking each other iver it.


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In looking over 47 pages so far of stupid crap that has come to nothing, odds are, this is just more stupid crap that will come nothing.

But if any group has a lock on stupid crap, it's most definately the Democratic party.

Have fun with your stupid crap, guys.


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It's beginning to look like it was a set up, and that all the colluding is being done by Democrats.

http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/t...LC&utm_medium=FB&utm_campaign=LC


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