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Sini #140754 06/22/17 04:54 PM
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It's such black world secret squirrel stuff that any one can freely read it.

How devious.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/22/politics/republican-health-care-bill-text/index.html


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{popcorn}

Oh come on Owain, you can do better than that.

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I am not in competition here. Are you?


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Originally Posted by Owain
I am not in competition here. Are you?


You're the one bringing up competition, do you have it on the mind?

I was just talking about how you are purposefully misconstruing what Kaotic said.

Originally Posted by Owain
It's such black world secret squirrel stuff that any one can freely read it.

How devious.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/22/politics/republican-health-care-bill-text/index.html


No matter what you link AFTER the fact. What Kaotic said is true, this bill was done in secrecy. I know its hard to come to terms that the people you back are hypocrites. I feel its best to treat it like a band-aid. Just pull it off nice and fast.

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Goriom, before you spoiled it, I was enjoying Kaotic getting RINOed.

It is like seeing torero getting gored to death. You just can't look away.


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Hypocrite. The warcry of the party at fault first. The Tu Quoque fallacy liberals love to employ.

The bill is out for all to read and debate. If anyone in congress feels there has been insufficient time to read, debate, and/or amend, they can vote agsinst the legislation, as my Senator, Mike Lee, plans to do.

This isn't unusual. Legislation is typically developed in committee, then debated. Some would like a vote before the upcoming recess. I would like a Masserati. We dont always get what we want.

If the legislation is passed, then the Senate collectively will have decided they had debated and amended it to their liking. Not everyone will agree, but our system of government doesn't require everyone to agree. Only that most agree.

If most agree, then that is one step closer to getting rid of the miserable failure that is Obamacare, a program so despised that arguably it cost Democrats the House in 2010, the Senate in 2014, the oval office in 2017, and is largely responsible for the current Democratic electoral collapse nationwide.

That is a degree of failure that is hard to match.

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Owain #140791 06/26/17 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Owain
Stuff.


I think this post highlights how the state of our politics has fallen to the point where no one can articulate any cogent vision of how to properly govern based on a reliable set of sensible principles. It's all about the "other guy" and how bad they are. Don't look at what we're doing, just look at what they did. "As long as we somehow manage to be slightly less bad in some small regard, then that should be good enough." Is what come across.


For who could be free when every other man's humour might domineer over him? - John Locke (2nd Treatise, sect 57)
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I think Trump has a very clear vision based on reliable principles, which is why voters elected him and not Hillary.

Trump's judicial appointments have been excellent, his foreign policy is at least sane, his regulatory rollback has been terrific, and his opposition to the corrupt and divisive leftist news media has been long overdue.

Down the road, if he can work with the Congress to implement effective tax reform, or even just tax cuts, the economy will take off. It's already improving nicely.


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You say you think that, but I still haven't seen any sort of evidence from you or Trump or his team that would indicate such. All signs point to people simply disliking Hillary, and being willing to give Trump the benefit of the doubt at the time. What principles even? Certainly no principles grounded in the traditions and founding spirit of the country, thats for sure.


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Trump has no principles unless you count the principle of hard cold cash. What Trump's whole role in this is to Russia and Republicans is one of the "useful idiot".

You know what else really bothers me. When Conservatives fall for the whole, the federal government is corrupt and nonfunctional so we need less of it. So what do these conservatives do? they elect idiots who purposely undermine the federal government causing this self sustaining shit storm. Thus the elected leaders go, "see, I told you we need less Federal government!" It's mind boggling because without the federal government, half of the red states would fall into third world status lol.

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