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Sini #140286 04/16/17 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Owain
I did not say that there was 'evidence'. I said that based upon what I have read, mostly in the foreign press, that I think it is highly likely [that Trump was wiretapped]. That might have been ordered by the Obama himself, or by someone in his administration. That might have been directly or indirectly, but I think it's still highly likely. As I also said, I am content to allow the investigation to take its course.


Your mental contortions are fascinating to watch, however they should be evaluated as a performance art and not an actual logical argument. In that light, they are not entirely devoid of value. Entertainment value that is.


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In the meantime, where is your evidence, slacker?


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... there is no evidence of any wrongdoing by Obama despite numerous inquiries ...


The proof is in Russell's Teapot.


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No contortions except in your mind. I never said the article had evidence, no matter how you might want to twist it.

I guess there is no evidence of collusion between Trump and the Russians, either.

Glad we got that settled.


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Sini #140369 05/09/17 05:16 PM
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Trump sacks FBI director citing improper behavior regarding Clinton emails prior to elections.


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I think this is the first show to drop. The next shoe to drop will be multiple indictments against Hillary and her aides.

Comey failed to properly enforce federal law. If Sessions now indicts Hillary for crimes Comey should have fought to enforce, of course Comey has to be fired for failing to do his job.


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While I agree with you it is only beginning, the likely outcome is Trump impeachment. Comey was sacked for investigating Trump's Russian ties, and not for helping Trump win elections by making more FUD about non-issue. I am sure there are many good reasons to prosecute Hillary, corruption and bribery comes to mind, but mishandling emails is not one of the remotely important or worthwhile issues. Sadly, incompetence is not a criminal matter.


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Well, people have been investigating Trump for a year or so. There doesn't seem to be anything there. Hillary, on the other hand, is plainly in felony violation of several federal laws, and it could even be argued that Comey could be charged with obstruction of justice over his mishandling of her investigation.

But before Trump could be impeached, wouldn't he have to be guilty of some crime? With what crime do you think he can be charged?


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Originally Posted by Owain
Well, people have been investigating Trump for a year or so. There doesn't seem to be anything there. Hillary, on the other hand, is plainly in felony violation of several federal laws, and it could even be argued that Comey could be charged with obstruction of justice over his mishandling of her investigation.


Are you aware of how long the investigation into Nixon went on for?


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But before Trump could be impeached, wouldn't he have to be guilty of some crime? With what crime do you think he can be charged?


Collusion with a foreign government to hack a candidate and undermine the elections?

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What statute of the criminal code was violated?


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1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. ยง 953

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I'm not sure what this statute has to do with elections. It seems to apply only to diplomatic measures.

But what evidence is there that Trump has violated that statute? All I have heard is shrill butthurt from Democrats disappointed that they are failing to win elections.

It takes more that butthurt to secure a conviction.

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