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Sini #136906 06/27/16 04:52 PM
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Lets follow this to a logical conclusion - small 'local' fractured governments that no longer have an effective way to stand up to multinational corporations or totalitarian regimes.

I personally think Brexit was Russian special op, they are the clear winner in this.


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Originally Posted By: JetStar
I believe they were very autonomous even in the EU. The information I have read about the economic consequences seems legit. I don't think the populous did they research which resembles Trump supporters here in the US.

I don't think the breakup of the UK was what they had in mind. Time will tell, but it looks pretty grim in my opinion.


What you read (and I can guess because I have read most of what is out there on the issue, and there is little thematic difference )is about half-true by my estimation.

You are somewhat mistaken on the UK's level of autonomy, but it's not something you can really articulate as a one-liner and be honest about it. The EU has an enormous set of bureaucratic regulations, that cover everything from consumer items to maritime rights to workers law - and also a great deal more. The UK could legislate "within" the EU's regulations, but not supersede them.

You should really examine Greece as precedent, though Greece owed money to various banksters (much of which were bad loans originated by Goldman Sachs in corrupt inside political deals, using US Fed free money, then packaged and resold to EU banks in northern/central Europe) the EU played a large role in clamping down and holds them by the throat now.

As far as negative consequences, there will be some, particularly in the short term. Regarding the more doom and gloom predictions, well those are just "possibilities" that can, in theory at least, be easily avoided.

It is important to note that while the status quo was very beneficial for some, it was certainly not beneficial for all.


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Originally Posted By: Sini
Lets follow this to a logical conclusion - small 'local' fractured governments that no longer have an effective way to stand up to multinational corporations or totalitarian regimes.

I personally think Brexit was Russian special op, they are the clear winner in this.


While I wouldn't doubt the Russians are pleased by the vote, Nigel Farage is relatively libertarian minded and seems an unlikely candidate for collusion with statists.

I see what you are saying about being too small to stand up to multinationals, but even if that could be the case, it seems moot when the apparatus of central governance itself is in fact the chief vehicle for enforcement of the multinational/bankster agenda.

There are few things that elites like more than unaccountable bureaucrats with large amounts of real power, and little or no meaningful checks or balances.


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One of the few good bits of brexit is that Nigel Farage will soon join the ranks of the unemployed

Cameron should never have taken the lead of the remain group he should have sated his view and left it to others to lead the campaign
the pols were 50/50 for weeks before the vote and now that we could use someone to sort out the mess we do not even have a working goverment.

even the opposition is falling apart with the pro EU MP's turning on their leader as he did not convince their grassroots working class voters to vote remain
nicely reinforcing the view that the MP's realy are out of touch

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http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2...ationism-213995

Politico has a good write-up of the situation.

Of course, the author misunderstands the role of markets; specifically how economic rigging, and the cohabitation of central banks and the incumbent institutional megabanks in fact
preclude any true market economics at the monetary level. The reason this issue cannot be addressed, is because so relatively few are even able to grok the crux of the issue. (and as often as the term capitalism has been misused, it is high time the terms capitalism and market economics are etymologically separated )

Otherwise, much is spot-on.


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The UK has always been felt as the 52nd US state only in the EU to advance US interests. I can tell you a lot of people are happy with them getting out on their own.


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Its the Island thing we can nomore walk to france than we can walk to India.

Sharing land boarders creates a different sence of belonging


PS yes I know the tunnel is there but it does not change the mind set

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Curious to know your thoughts on it Instrument.

Insider perspective!!!!


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Curious to know your thoughts on it Instrument.

Insider perspective!!!!


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with that kind of a build up i am going to follow Borris and exit the stage

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