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Libertarian Expats in Chile

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When I remind Cobin that his adopted country features some of his least favorite things, such as strict gun laws (not to mention national ID cards, mandatory medical insurance, and a reelected socialist president promising free college for all), he's unfazed.


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His vice president of international sales, an organic farmer named Frank Szabo, lost a race for sheriff in New Hampshire in 2012 after saying he wouldn't rule out use of deadly force against abortion doctors.


For this guy, as long as abortion is illegal, the rest doesn't matter. Libertarian he is not.


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Originally Posted By: Sini

For this guy, as long as abortion is illegal, the rest doesn't matter. Libertarian he is not.


Well, finally we agree on something. This guy calling himself a "Libertarian" is about the equivalent of me calling myself a Marxist-leaning Socialist.


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I think most people that call themselves Libertarian are in reality just ignorant bozos. Have you read Politico's article on Dingell ? I tend to agree with his "it is all ignorance" views.


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Originally Posted By: Derid
Well, finally we agree on something. This guy calling himself a "Libertarian" is about the equivalent of me calling myself a Marxist-leaning Socialist.


A better example would be you calling yourself a progressive.

Marxist-leaning Socialist, do these still exist outside of Venezuela? I know this label gets paraded a lot on the right, but then you don't have a luxury of calling someone Randian and be done with it.


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Originally Posted By: Sini
I think most people that call themselves Libertarian are in reality just ignorant bozos. Have you read Politico's article on Dingell ? I tend to agree with his "it is all ignorance" views.
Can you substantiate that in anyway other than linking to a gallon of kool-aid, or is that just your inability to judge people outside of your preconceived notions?


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Originally Posted By: Sini
Marxist-leaning Socialist, do these still exist outside of Venezuela?
Is this a joke, or do you really not recognize that you advocate for this particular agenda on a daily basis?


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Originally Posted By: Kaotic
Originally Posted By: Sini
I think most people that call themselves Libertarian are in reality just ignorant bozos. Have you read Politico's article on Dingell ? I tend to agree with his "it is all ignorance" views.
Can you substantiate that in anyway other than linking to a gallon of kool-aid, or is that just your inability to judge people outside of your preconceived notions?


Sure, but you will dismiss any of my arguments as kool-aid.

For example, death panels never materialized. This is one example of ignorance. If you genuinely interested, I can put more effort into listing/explaining common FUD.


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Originally Posted By: Kaotic
Originally Posted By: Sini
Marxist-leaning Socialist, do these still exist outside of Venezuela?
Is this a joke, or do you really not recognize that you advocate for this particular agenda on a daily basis?


I will file your post under examples of ignorance.

Followup question for you, if you don't even understand what you are opposing, how can you know what you stand for?

I am statis-leaning progressive, Derid is a free market liberterian. As to you, you are social conservative with an unhealthy dose of confusion about everything else.


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Originally Posted By: Sini
For example, death panels never materialized. This is one example of ignorance. If you genuinely interested, I can put more effort into listing/explaining common FUD.
First of all, Obamacare isn't fully implemented because he keeps illegally delaying parts of it, but even so, several advocates have admitted that there will be deathpanels and rationing, and that that is exactly the way its supposed to be. That's just what I could find in about 10 seconds.

Second, if you actually make a coherent argument, I'll listen. I've proven in the past that I read what you have to say, and have even changed my mind based on some of the conversations here. I find it ironic that the one guy here who constantly claims everyone else is small or simple minded is the only one who has never budged an inch on any of his stances. Must be nice to be perfect like you.

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I will file your post under examples of ignorance.
Thanks for making my point.

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Followup question for you, if you don't even understand what you are opposing, how can you know what you stand for?

I am statis-leaning progressive, Derid is a free market liberterian. As to you, you are social conservative with an unhealthy dose of confusion about everything else.
I understand quite well what stand for. You seem to be confused though. As we've discussed in the past your tenuous grasp of the English language either confuses us or you. "statis-leaning progressive" is a good example. Did you mean status? That would make sense, because you do seem to view your socialist stances as some sort of social affirmation.

As for your desire to label everyone, no matter how many times Derid points out to you that people don't fit into nice little groups, you can't seem to let go of your labels. Typical I suppose from a guy espousing the beliefs of the party of racism, oppression and that regularly redefines words to fit their agenda and rewrite history.

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Just for giggles, why don't you list the things about which I am ignorant so that I may better educate myself.

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Well, finally we agree on something. This guy calling himself a "Libertarian" is about the equivalent of me calling myself a Marxist-leaning Socialist.


Marxist-leaning Socialist, do these still exist outside of Venezuela?


Sort of my point.


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