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Clearly making policy at number 59...

Try reading website you posted:

LOL you make it sound like they are hiding something.
The Kochs are missing 2% but the Unions are missing alot more.

What would piss me off is if I lived in California and saw they were a large contributor via University of California.

At this point, their involvement in dark money PACs is well-known fact. These are qualified as "not affiliated".

You are right the unions are horrible for not showing who they give their money to.

On topic of unions, if you were a rational individual you would be strongly pro-union. Free and efficient markets would benefit you not one iota, you have to be invested into markets to gain anything from them. You are firmly on Labor part of the equation, yet your political convictions are pro-Capital.

So while your jobs are outsourced, wages slashed, benefits cut in a booming markets you cheer for more of the same.

Unionized and government jobs are pretty much the only way for blue collar to make it into the middle class. More you slash them, more people you push into poverty. All of that so you could save 5c on a burger in McD or 10c on some household item in Wallmart.

If that is true, why are the non-union auto workers at foreign owned plants getting better pay than union workers?

While I do think that, hypothetically, Unions can be useful the current union landscape needs drastic reform. Unions have become less about sensibly representing workers, and more about the union bosses and their political allies.

I also have some personal experience, when I was in school I worked at Fedex for a while. Lots of my co-workers and Fedex lifers actually came from UPS, both for higher pay and to get away from the unions.

Unions are failing, not because of right-wing opposition... but because they are failing at actually representing and helping the class of worker they are supposed to empower.

You really need to stop with everytime we bring up jobs all you talk about is McD or BK or Wally World.

I don't even know anyone who works at a fast food joint that is not a kid.

I am middle class and have a job that cannot be outsourced to anywhere.

The USA is still the largest manufacturer.

Just spouting random bullshit makes you look like a fool.

First, they do not. At least not in right to work states. Auto workers in right to work states make substantially (to the tune of 40%) less.

As to everywhere else - to keep Unions out. The mere threat of unionization is what keeps wages up, you remove that threat and they immediately go down. Now I realize this is not normally a falsifiable statement, but I suggest looking up at manufacturing wages pre and post specific states transitioning to right to work. Numbers are out there, but I do not have any I can share with you.