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I agree with you that what going on right now is worrisome, I don't agree with you that we are going to end up United States of Somalia.


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I don't think he's arguing that we ARE going to end up the USS. Rather, we WILL end up the USS if we allow events as they are currently piling up to continue unabated. So, he's advocating for doing something now to stop the proliferation of government overreach before the road to the USS is unavoidable.

Since we all seem to agree that this is the case. What do we do about it?


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Originally Posted By: Kaotic
I don't think he's arguing that we ARE going to end up the USS. Rather, we WILL end up the USS if we allow events as they are currently piling up to continue unabated. So, he's advocating for doing something now to stop the proliferation of government overreach before the road to the USS is unavoidable.

Since we all seem to agree that this is the case. What do we do about it?


This.

And United Stasi of America is a closer analogy than Somalia, but yeah.


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I just find it Ironic that Obama wants to give out weapons while trying to pass laws that will reduce ours.


I don't. Obama is not concerned about reducing peacetime gun violence in Arab world, so giving out guns to Syrians is not considered in the same light as gun ownership in US.

Left concern with guns is about domestic peacetime abuse. We don't object to police or military having them. We wouldn't even object to "well regulated militia" , if one existed today, having them.

It is Right's complete unwillingness to take basic steps to keep the guns out of hands of violent criminals and nutters that even makes whole thing controversial.


You have surpassed the illogical limit.
Please show me where the Right is taking steps to keep guns in the hands of criminals?
The only nutters seem to be in your camp.

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The militia is us. Sinij your use of terms, is in contradiction with the usages and intent of the Framers and time period in general. Its revisionism , and neologisms pure and simple.


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I don't know about you, but I am not part of any well organized militia. I doubt even 1% of gun owners are ether.


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2nd amendment says nothing about organized. Neologism at work.


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Sorry, my bad - well regulated militia. I am not part of it. Nether is 99% of gun owners. Not even if you ignore "militia" part could you claim "well regulated" to anything resembling gun ownership.


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Again, neologism.

Definition of NEOLOGISM
1: a new word, usage, or expression

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neologism

Your usage of the term "regulated" does not match the 18th , or even 19th century usage.


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Originally Posted By: Sini
Sorry, my bad - well regulated militia. I am not part of it. Nether is 99% of gun owners. Not even if you ignore "militia" part could you claim "well regulated" to anything resembling gun ownership.


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

You seem to have trouble with English and sentence structure.

This accounts for the state to have its own militia and gives
the people the right to bear Arms.

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