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And I am going to pray that your guns are never accidentally misused and that you and people you hold dear are not unintentionally injured in the process.


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Originally Posted By: sini
And I am going to pray that your guns are never accidentally misused and that you and people you hold dear are not unintentionally injured in the process.


Yeah because everyone that owns a gun just wildly goes around shooting up shit... amirite? /facepalm

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So... ummm yeah!

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All of this is great if you find Syrian level of bloodshed in US as acceptable and consider Obama and Assad comparable heads of the state.


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I dont think we are yet to the level of the pre-war Syrian regime.

But each decade, we take a big leap in that direction. Without a drastic change in direction, we will arrive there in one, maybe two decades.

One day students of history are going to look back on a people filled with such hubris that they honestly thought there was nothing untoward about politicians and govt apparatchiks that simultaneously worked to build unaccountable "security" institutions and disarm the lay citizenry. And much facepalming will be had by said students.


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I just find it Ironic that Obama wants to give out weapons while trying to pass laws that will reduce ours. I don't think Obama is on assads level. As Derid said, we seem to be going in that direction with each step.

I think it's very naive to think the Government at some point could go in the direction where citizens would have to take up arms. This is why we need to keep this bullshit in check. You can reduce a boulder into small rock over time by chipping away at it. you can do the same with liberty and freedom, if you allow them to keep chipping away at it.

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Originally Posted By: Derid
Without a drastic change in direction, we will arrive there in one, maybe two decades.


As I post, I am eating bacon as part of my breakfast. If bacon eating trend continues at this rate, within one, maybe two decades, I will consume all the bacon in the world.


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Originally Posted By: Wolfgang
I just find it Ironic that Obama wants to give out weapons while trying to pass laws that will reduce ours.


I don't. Obama is not concerned about reducing peacetime gun violence in Arab world, so giving out guns to Syrians is not considered in the same light as gun ownership in US.

Left concern with guns is about domestic peacetime abuse. We don't object to police or military having them. We wouldn't even object to "well regulated militia" , if one existed today, having them.

It is Right's complete unwillingness to take basic steps to keep the guns out of hands of violent criminals and nutters that even makes whole thing controversial.


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Originally Posted By: Sini
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I just find it Ironic that Obama wants to give out weapons while trying to pass laws that will reduce ours.


I don't. Obama is not concerned about reducing peacetime gun violence in Arab world, so giving out guns to Syrians is not considered in the same light as gun ownership in US.

Left concern with guns is about domestic peacetime abuse. We don't object to police or military having them. We wouldn't even object to "well regulated militia" , if one existed today, having them.

It is Right's complete unwillingness to take basic steps to keep the guns out of hands of violent criminals and nutters that even makes whole thing controversial.

Your country has a constitution which states that everyone has the right to possess weapons. I don't understand why you would want to fuck this instead of emigrating to a country where citizens don't have weapons around.


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Without a drastic change in direction, we will arrive there in one, maybe two decades.


As I post, I am eating bacon as part of my breakfast. If bacon eating trend continues at this rate, within one, maybe two decades, I will consume all the bacon in the world.


Sorry, your ignoring of historical precedent is laughable. Never in history has a country built unaccountable internal security apparatus and disarmed the citizenry and had it end well. Never.

Now, you could say that past performance may not be a predictor of future events which would be technically true. But your silly attempt to categorize current power trends in the USA as absurd extrapolation simply belies a willful ignorance, not an educated attempt to apply logic to an analysis.


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