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Yea, I know this Daye, but we have to give them something otherwise they won't leave over. Its common sense that making laws doesn't stop law breakers...because they don't care about the law. We just have to make our opposites understand that, and im strictly talking about the ignorant ones who don't realize, before they all screw us over hard.

Background checks help, but like you said...only so much. They won't do much if someone decided to kill their parents and steal their guns and go on a shooting spree. However, where the left sees this as a reason for no one to have guns, that just makes us all more vulnerable to those who prey on the weak. I'm in the process of getting myself a permit for NYC. If you ever lived here then you know, for all their vaunted "first responder" accolades, more often then not they just show up to take notes and find the perp after the fact. I'd prefer to be able to protect myself, not give a victims statement.

There's a country song that addresses this, I believe the title is A Country Boy Can Survive. Listen to it.

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" I'm in the process of getting myself a permit for NYC. "

You have my sympathies. Friend of mine recently moved up to New
York State and had to leave many of his firearms behind because
of the " scary gun " laws in effect up there.

New York and California are permanently off my list of places to
move due to nanny-state tendencies. :D

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Yeah, I want out for many reasons. Stupid high cost of living, and stupid nanny tendencies among them. My problem is the girlfriend doesn't want to. I've got time before I could leave anyway but im saving and in the next 5 years or sp I could have enough for a nice place for us somewhere south, sunny and much more red leaning.


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Originally Posted By: Daye
IMO, insurance is nothing more than a tax in disguise.


Insurance is protection from liability. It is a form of responsibility for damages your actions cause.

Do you not believe in assuming personal financial responsibility for your actions? Do you expect to continue offloading it on society?


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It's interesting to note that anytime anti-gun types use
cars to compare with guns, they use the insurance and license
requirements as an argument. If we do it for cars why not
guns ?

Yet, when the pro-gun types point out how many people die
from cars every year, we get a non-stop ration of sh*t from
the same folks stating it's an apples vs oranges argument.

So which is it ?


A lot of people die from diabetes, more then from cancer, so we should ignore cancer until diabetes are cured, right?


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Originally Posted By: JetStar
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They also like to compare gun rights to drivers permits.
When they do this you can already tell they do not understand
Constitutional Rights.


I understand that reading is difficult for you. I mean you are a republican. Please see the word SHOULD, as in SHOULD be as hard. I know the difference between a right and a privilege.


Same for you I am not a Republican.

But yet another example of how a liberal deflects the logic with insults.

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Originally Posted By: Helemoto
I am not a Republican in denial.


Yes you are.


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Originally Posted By: sini
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I am not a Republican in denial.


Yes you are.


And you're a liberal puppet. You don't have your own opinions just those that you get spoon fed so you can regurgitate them in a manner that makes it seems as if you actually have the ability to think and process information.

Can we try to just have a debate and not get into flaming because that easy for all of us and serves no one.


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Helemoto's denial is amusing, if for no other reason but anticipation of him coming to terms with his political leanings. Plus I never disputed that I am liberal-leaning in my political views. I also mostly vote Democrats.


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"Insurance is protection from liability. It is a form of
responsibility for damages your actions cause.

Do you not believe in assuming personal financial responsibility
for your actions? Do you expect to continue offloading it on society?"

Uh-huh.

Insurance is a business. A profitable one at that. Insurance
companies are not there to help you assume personal financial
responsibility as you put it, they are there to make a profit by
charging you more than the risk they think you are.

To date I have never filed a single insurance claim for my vehicles
nor my home. I have, however, paid thousands and thousands of dollars
in premiums over the same time period.

So tell me again how I've offloaded anything onto society again ?


Hell, under your line of thinking, we should have insurance premiums
for absolutely anything we may own that might accidentally injure
someone else.

Lawnmowing insurance.
Pet insurance.
Cutlery insurance.
Don't-trip-on-my-sidewalk insurance.
Child insurance. ( In case they do anything stupid to injure another )

LoL. The list can go on and on.

Gun insurance ? Really ?

Like we don't pay enough: Fees, taxes, licenses, premiums and penalties
already :|



"A lot of people die from diabetes, more then from cancer, so we should
ignore cancer until diabetes are cured, right?"

No, you shouldn't model diabetes treatment after cancer treatment
since they're not even remotely the same disease. Kinda like cars
and guns. They're both unique killers which require unique approaches
to each. You don't try to use chemo to cure diabetics any more than you
give insulin to cancer patients.

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Unsurprisingly, you show complete lack of understanding of how/why insurance works.

Insurance pools the risks from a large group of people and protects individuals within this group from large, but unlikely, liabilities they might incur.

Lets say you have X% chance to have adverse action happening in your life. This adverse action is a liability, if it involves others, then it is also your responsibility to others. In 1-X cases nothing happens, you pay into the insurance pool and see nothing back. So why do you pay? Because nobody could predict future and know who from this pool going to end up X and who 1-X.

In car insurance case - you are paying insurance to protect others from potential harm your actions could cause. If you are wealthy individual - you have an option to self-insure (demonstrate that you have enough money to cover any liability). Carrying insurance is your responsibility to society, because if you cause harm but do not have insurance, you are likely won't be able to adequately compensate for the harm you caused.

Now in your examples, there is no clear averse action that can result from it (e.g. lawn mowing isn't known for causing harm to others).

Guns are more like cars - there are many examples when irresponsible (or just unlucky) behavior can cause harm to others. It is reasonable that owners assume responsibility and purchase insurance.

In closing, stop freeloading of society, man up and pay for your toys. Your guns incur very real cost on society, it is unreasonable to ask others, especially gun-free people, to pay for irresponsible behavior or your fellow gun nuts. If everybody is responsible and law abiding gun owner, well then insurance will be dirt cheap.

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