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"Daye, what is slippery slope fallacy for $200?"

Puhlease.


Let's pretend all scary guns are banned tomorrow. We magically
wave a wand ( Repealo Amendimus ! ) and all the " assault " style
weapons are gone from the land. Democrats cheer, everyone gives
each other a big hug, and all is well in the Land of Oz.

For today.

Some time passes. Maybe a day. A week, or even a few years
goes by. Then some nutjob shows up and guns down another
school, a bus full of nuns, or a whole bunch of still singing
Democrats. They'll either use a weapon that wasn't on the
original ban list, or obtain a black market banned device.

I'll take "Guess what Congress does next" for $500 Alex. . . .

You guessed it. More bans. More legislation. What do you mean
you don't support it ? You supported the LAST one so what's the
difference ? ( you Nun-Slayer you ! )

See a pattern yet ? Where does it stop ?

Hell, they've done the same thing to the First Amendment already
with the creation of " Free Speech Zones "

Freedom of Speech is a wonderful thing, but if no one can hear
you, what's the point ?

Sure they haven't taken away your right, they've just modified
it to the point where your freedom has the least amount of
impact possible. May as well pass out the gags now. :|

It's kind of like a game of Chess. Those who only see one move
ahead are not going to win. Gain the ability to see several moves
ahead and you become a formidable opponent.

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Here's some slippery slope for you. Who in their right mind would have thought this would be the result of a government agency that was supposed to protect air traffic from terrorists?



Yep, you're right. Things are never ever taken to their most ridiculous extreme by our government. Slippery slope indeed.


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Originally Posted By: Stubs
Jet, background checks are one thing. You could check me all day and night and when you're done I'd expect my gun to be ready to go home with me. Checks aren't a problem. A limit, preventing someone from going from NY to Virginia and buying 15 pistols and coming back and reselling them on the street for triple the value to shady peoples would be welcome.

My problem is on bans. A criminal, by definition, doesn't give a fuck about what the gun laws are. If he wants to have an AK47 he can find a way to get one. The ONLY people that a ban hurts are the law-abiding citizens. Any law that is supposed to hinder crime but really just hinders my rights is a law I will fight.


This is an old argument that some cannot get their minds around.

They also like to compare gun rights to drivers permits.
When they do this you can already tell they do not understand
Constitutional Rights.

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Originally Posted By: Helemoto
They also like to compare gun rights to drivers permits.
When they do this you can already tell they do not understand
Constitutional Rights.


I understand that reading is difficult for you. I mean you are a republican. Please see the word SHOULD, as in SHOULD be as hard. I know the difference between a right and a privilege.


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For Republicans, reading comprehension is a privilege, but intentional denial is a fundamental right.


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Well, its not really difficult to get a drivers license, I mean LOOK at some of the people out there driving these days. My grandma still gets hers renewed and she's 85 extremely arthritic and blind in one eye.

All they need is background checks and yearly limits. Say 1 long gun and 1 handgun a year. That won't infringe on anyone's rights to hard and it will impact the flow of illegal weapons. It should also make it so a gunshow is mostly just gun enthusiasts and admirers looking, except the few who haven't reached their limit, while dealers buy from companies.

Just step out of your preconceptions for a minute and tell me how that suits you? I think it will be 100% better than 50 different bans.

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Background checks are already universal as long as the seller is
a firearms dealer. Regardless of where the sale is made, at the
store, at a gun show, wherever. If you're a dealer selling to
a non-dealer, then a background check is done each and every time.
Hell, even if you're selling to another dealer, you have
paperwork to process.

The only time background checks are NOT done is private sales.
Eg: Private party to private party transactions.

Guess what ? Forcing all sales to go through a licensed FFL
won't do much either. Recall the event that put all this
silliness in motion: The weapons used were STOLEN from a
person who purchased them legally to begin with.

Create all the rules you like, but the criminal mind WILL find
ways around them.

There are only two ways to prevent gun violence against people.

1) Remove all guns from the world
2) Remove all people from the world

Both are about as likely as the other.

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Originally Posted By: Daye


There are only two ways to prevent gun violence against people.

1) Remove all guns from the world
2) Remove all people from the world

Both are about as likely as the other.


False dichotomy.

We are not trying to prevent any and all gun violence against people, we are trying to reduce it.

Similarly:
The only way to prevent obesity is to remove all food, the only way to prevent testicular cancer is to castrate everyone, the only way to prevent speeding is to ban the cars...


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"Doing so would give a financial incentive for safe behavior, they hope,
as people with less dangerous weapons or safety locks could qualify
for lower rates. "

ROFL

Yeah, because folks who are hell bent on killing as many people as
possible give two sh*ts about purchasing insurance :D

Awwww man, I can't shoot up the bus full of Nuns because my
insurance premiums would go up ! :D

IMO, insurance is nothing more than a tax in disguise.


It's interesting to note that anytime anti-gun types use
cars to compare with guns, they use the insurance and license
requirements as an argument. If we do it for cars why not
guns ?

Yet, when the pro-gun types point out how many people die
from cars every year, we get a non-stop ration of sh*t from
the same folks stating it's an apples vs oranges argument.

So which is it ?

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