The KGB Oracle Forums General Public Discussion (SPECIAL ACCESS) KGB Political Debate Central Socio-economic class mobility in the US

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The argument is wrong. Who cares how much other countries spend on social welfare? The question is: Where should the line be drawn between forcing your neighbors to pay for you and personal responsibility?

No, the question is how much are you responsible for your own fate, and how much of it is out of your control. American Dream is to build yourself up from poverty with hard work and smarts. Is this even achievable these days?

Rags to riches stores are about as common as lottery winners, this means that hard work and smarts are no longer reliable way out of poverty. This means that as society we are failing our poor, and in process making more of them.

Actually I would say it is fairly common. The distortion of perception at work here, is between working hard and being successful or working hard and becoming Bill Gates.

Though it is true that it is becoming more difficult. Of course the only real long term remedies are transparency of govt and rule of law - which have both been breaking down at an accelerating rate in recent years.

"Though it is true that it is becoming more difficult. "


Even more so if the government has it's way. Considering how much
of your compensation they want to give away to everyone else means
you have to work that much harder to achieve the same goals.

It's like overtime. If you work enough of it, at some point you're
being taxed so heavily you're basically working for straight
pay again. Most just don't realize it.

Yeah. And the irony is, by and large those in power including and especially the Dems arent even giving it to the poor and needy. They are handing it to govt bureaucrats and other rich people.

I think the core issue is the body politic of the USA has become not a body of discernment, but a body of fanboys. There is no word more befitting an Obama supporter at this point than "Fan". It has nothing to do with reasoned understanding of what has or will likely actually transpire in the halls of govt - just blind loyalty to the "team".

The same could be said during the G W B years as well - I hardly consider it a partisan problem.

Once again you misunderstand something that the rest of us know at a visceral level. The American Dream is not about money. The American Dream is about being able to take care of your family and enjoy the fruits of your labor. Sometimes that is measured in money for some people but for most it has more to do with happiness which is not measured with dollar bills.

BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!

1600 people on average per year win more then 1 million dollars.

As for the rags to the rags to riches

http://www.forbes.com/2007/06/22/billionaires-gates-winfrey-biz-cz_ts_0626rags2riches.html

Forbes: Rich Are Staying Richer, Poor Poorer



News at 11.

I made 0 in 1987 now I make above the area medium.

News at 11, proven wrong again.