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#111892 12/27/12 02:30 PM
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Put in Perspective...

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"Typical knuckle-dragger oversimplification. Insert keynesian bullshit here." -sini

amirite?

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No worries. Massive deficit reduction is coming Jan. 1.

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Just to add, now Obummer wants to give the VP, congress and other federal workers a raise. I don't think he knows where the the fuck money comes from. Either that or he doesn't care. This is what happens when stupid people vote, or at the least very naive. It seems like Obama wants to nose dive this country into the ground. It's simple fucking math, if you have to borrow money in order to keep funding the things you do, then you have a serious problem. It WILL NOT go away by simply Ignoring it. Want more tax revenue? PUT MORE PEOPLE TO WORK!

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Since you want to talk in distorting oversimplifications - what going on right now is your household turning down a raise because the wife (GOP) believes the rich neighbors deserve that raise more.


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Originally Posted By: Brutal
"Typical knuckle-dragger oversimplification. Insert keynesian bullshit here." -sini

amirite?


Yes, thank you. Comparing taxes to salary and country's financial situation to a household is apples to oranges.

150,000 on 20,000 income seems like a lot of debt? Yes, but you also have 5mil+ in assets AND you borrowed in monopoly money that you can print in your garage.

At the same time, cuts to any spending directly impacts your salary. You cut spending to 20K, your salary goes down to 10K and you still in the hole.


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Originally Posted By: sini
you borrowed in monopoly money that you can print in your garage.
The fact that you don't see this as a problem is an indicator of just how little you understand about history...


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Originally Posted By: Kaotic
Originally Posted By: sini
you borrowed in monopoly money that you can print in your garage.
The fact that you don't see this as a problem is an indicator of just how little you understand about history...


non sequitur


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[sing-song voice] Nailed it! [/sing-song voice]

So in response to your apples to oranges comment, I will say this: You are mostly correct. The difference between a household budget and the federal budget is vast, and not just in numbers. The key point here is, that is exactly the problem. The federal government loses money when it cuts spending because it has spent so many years spending on bloated, inefficient schemes trying to manufacture jobs when that is not the purpose of the federal government.

Rather than working within their means, which is what every family in America must do, lest they go into debt, they over-spend and then try to stick a band-aid on it later and wrap it up in some job creation bill to gloss over the bullshit. If they would simply use the tax revenue they have, and I assure you there are smart enough people to project an approximation of the annual tax revenue, and spend it on the things that the federal government is supposed to be responsible for then magically the spending deficit would disappear and the free market would keep making the country rich. As an aside, if you don't believe that the free market was the reason this country became so wealthy and powerful, I'd love to hear your opinion as to what that reason was.

As for your "turning down a raise" bit, I have to chuckle because I know this will not make sense to you. Comparing a tax break to a "raise" is exactly the sort of mindset that Jefferson and Tyler warned us about.

Originally Posted By: Thomas Jefferson
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.


Originally Posted By: Alexander Fraser Tyler
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury.

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