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As far as I know, noone is forcing people to work at gunpoint.


So you are advocating absolving personal responsibility and expansion of a welfare state? Shocking.


That is an.... extremely odd way to read that, to say the least.



So what is there other than welfare? I mean, you don't support people getting livable wage from working, you must support them getting welfare? Or are you suggesting they just live under the bridges and starve to death?


Entrepreneurship, finding better job, working multiple jobs, hitting up private charity of which there is plenty.

But like I said before, just about any wage is a livable wage - people just need to self organize into collectives to pool resources. Such as young people / people in school already typically do.

Your force employers to do X at gunpoint/else people are welfare recipients is a false dichotomy. You personally might not savor the idea of having 3 roomates, but that does not mean violence is the answer to ensure that noone ever has to do it.


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So return of company towns and Indentured servitude?

This isn't 1800s anymore, 40 hours work week and livable wage are expected. Anything more for any less pay is offloading costs on the taxpayers.

Again, places that do not pay livable wage have thier labor costs subsidized by taxpayers via welfare.


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Chanting that I am wrong, without anything to back it up with, does not make you right.

My last point was:

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You are dodging, you explicitly told me that corporations are citizens. Where does it say this in the constitution?


Feel free to address it when you are done with your hysterics.


Well to address the guy who really goes into hysterics and gets his pegina wrapped in his panties, corporations are made by citizens so that makes the citizen a corporations so then the corporation is made by a citizen the corporation is owned by a citizen so that would make the corporation a citizen. As for where is says it in the Constitution, I notice you never capitalize that evil progressive word, I never said it did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood. Courts have.
I do not dodge anything I leave that to the master poster that you are, I have asked you many ? and have never received a answer.

The fact that you don't think companies have rights makes you look like a fool.

The whole BLACK FRIDAY is or was the day that made or broke companies profits, so it is a very important day to retailers.
These people know that black Friday comes every year and this is how the retailers who make money to keep them in a job do
business.
These are private companies and you nor I have a right to tell them how to do business, well we do, use your wallet, or man purse.

Now we all know that as a progressive you want to make every company you see into a bad light to try and prove your warped way
of thinking as evidence that your are right makes me laugh.

Lets take away all the big evil mean companies you hate and see how long we last.


No, corporate personhood, no matter how you stretch it, does not mean corporations are citizens. It means that corporations can legally own property. Read your own link.

Citizenship for corporations? You are out of your fucking mind if you believe/advocate this garbage. There is no polite way to put it, nor do you deserve any after running your mouth.

Let me put it in terms you could understand. Citizenship means you get to vote. It means you get to get drafted, get married or go to jail. Only people can be citizens.

At the end of the day corporations are imaginary constructs, just like square root of a negative number, they don't exist outside of paper. When you have decisions that involve rights of individual citizens and rights of corporations, individual rights should win every single time.


You only hear what you want to hear, and that is way you are ignorant.
You didn't read shit or you wouldn't have posted more of your open mouth breathing text.
My imaginary construct pays my salary, so I am assuming it is not imaginary.
The point behind corporations having rights is they need protection from fucking morons just like the rest of us.
Morons that think people should be taxed by how they make the money not by how much they make, or morons that think what ever
comes out of their mouths is the truth no matter if it will destroy how and why this country was made.
Morons think that corporations popped up out of now where and need no protection from other morons that want something
for nothing, and some of those morons think that by arguing, its not the 1800's makes sense, or morons that think
all jobs should pay a "livable wage". Well I say welcome to the real world, not all jobs can pay 50k plus benefits.
We need ditch diggers and burger flippers, guess who gets more in the weekly check.
Got to love morons who get but hurt when some one starts from scratch and makes it big.
Most of those morons would fight to keep what they earned if they were not to busy being morons.

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Its all in fun, for me anyways.

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Helemoto, adding "morons" to your posts does not make it any more true. Corporations are not citizens, corporate personhood does not grant corporations citizenship and views like yours (e.g. citizens united) only detract from freedoms of REAL flesh and blood citizens that CONSTITUTION was written about/for.

Oh, by the way, you are still WRONG, corporations are no more citizens than my garden gnomes are.


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Originally Posted By: sini
So return of company towns and Indentured servitude?

This isn't 1800s anymore, 40 hours work week and livable wage are expected. Anything more for any less pay is offloading costs on the taxpayers.

Again, places that do not pay livable wage have thier labor costs subsidized by taxpayers via welfare.


Need to cut back on that welfare in that case. But like I said, its already livable so its a moot point. Think roomates.com instead of indentured servitude, you really think up the strangest things sometimes.

Just because something is "expected" doesnt give you a right to stick a gun in someones face and force people to do what you think is right and proper in regards to how they run their business.

It really is sad that the left in general thinks violently enforcing their opinions on everyone will somehow solve societies ills. Unfortunately, the side effects of those efforts are going to entirely unwind the fabric of our society.


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Originally Posted By: Derid

Just because something is "expected" doesnt give you a right to stick a gun in someones face and force people to do what you think is right and proper in regards to how they run their business.


We are still talking about living above poverty line while gainfully employed full-time, right?


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Originally Posted By: sini
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Just because something is "expected" doesnt give you a right to stick a gun in someones face and force people to do what you think is right and proper in regards to how they run their business.


We are still talking about living above poverty line while gainfully employed full-time, right?


We are talking about the methods used to achieve your lofty goals.


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Originally Posted By: sini
Helemoto, adding "morons" to your posts does not make it any more true. Corporations are not citizens, corporate personhood does not grant corporations citizenship and views like yours (e.g. citizens united) only detract from freedoms of REAL flesh and blood citizens that CONSTITUTION was written about/for.

Oh, by the way, you are still WRONG, corporations are no more citizens than my garden gnomes are.



Nope I am not wrong.

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