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Kaotic, do you really care to know nuances of discretionary spending? If you insist...

http://useconomy.about.com/od/usfederalbudget/p/Discretionary.htm

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/08/paul-ryans-budget-games.html
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all of the government’s discretionary spending (including the defense budget) would account for less than four per cent of G.D.P. Since defense spending in the postwar era has never been less than three per cent of G.D.P., and since Romney has said during the campaign that he doesn’t want defense spending to be below four per cent of G.D.P., this means that the only way for Ryan’s numbers to work would be to effectively eliminate nearly all non-defense discretionary spending, including not just much of the social safety net but infrastructure spending, R. & D. investment, federal support for education, air-traffic control, regulatory and public safety spending, and so on.


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Paul Ryan’s Fairy-Tale Budget Plan by David Stockman
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A true agenda to reform the welfare state would require a sweeping, income-based eligibility test, which would reduce or eliminate social insurance benefits for millions of affluent retirees. Without it, there is no math that can avoid giant tax increases or vast new borrowing.

Instead, it shreds the measly means-tested safety net for the vulnerable: the roughly $100 billion per year for food stamps and cash assistance for needy families and the $300 billion budget for Medicaid, the health insurance program for the poor and disabled.

Likewise, hacking away at the roughly $400 billion domestic discretionary budget (what’s left of the federal budget after defense, Social Security, health and safety-net spending and interest on the national debt) will yield only a rounding error’s worth of savings after popular programs (which Republicans heartily favor) like cancer research, national parks, veterans’ benefits, farm aid, highway subsidies, education grants and small-business loans are accommodated.


Who is David Stockman


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Thank you for making my point by refusing to address my questions directly and deflecting.


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Originally Posted By: Kaotic
Thank you for making my point by refusing to address my questions directly and deflecting.


/roll eyes

If you take exact wording of that specific sentence and literally interpret it, then yes they would claim that it would indirectly benefit poor people and they would be wrong is making such statement.


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Please defend your statement.


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Read post #103214 and #103216


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Those are defenses. That's you linking to other partisan sources. I want you to defend your position in your own words like the rest of us do.


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Really?

Discretionary spending consist of large number of social outlays, like education and research grants, that not only directly benefit society, but also invest in the future of our nation. While technically correct, that by cutting discretionary spending there will be less taxes for everyone, including poor, cutting it in a way Ryan's plan proposes is not a good idea. Claiming it will be beneficial for the poor is disingenuous.

So is this the point where you and fellow conservatives go into complete denial mode due to absolute indefensibility of Ryan's positions? I linked all this material in vane hopes that maybe Derid and couple more people realize what exactly they are going to vote for and feel bad about it, it isn't like I expect anyone to actually change vote despite this being clear example of another crony conservative-in-name-only selling US public interest to the highest bidder.

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Thank you Sinji.

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You're projecting again. I'm not defending anyone. I've only advocated for what I perceive to be our best path forward (which you steadfastly refuse to do) not a particular candidate. Obviously anyone chosen by the right will have flaws, just like anyone chosen by the left has flaws, and it's possible that you're right and Romney and Ryan are the antichrist and will be the death of us all. But I know that Obama, with a second term, will push us closer to the socialist utopia that both you and he want. So, in this case, I may be choosing the devil I don't know over the one I do, but that's only because I am certain of where the one I know is taking us, and I don't want to go there.


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