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Kaotic #103015 08/10/12 09:46 AM
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@ Kaotic, none of your examples hold up "how is that different from any other Administrations?" test. You stated that Obama is "evil" and "least open" of all Administrations, but you compare it to his promised standard. I agree, he did not deliveer on his election promise of openness, but this is not what you are arguing here.


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Originally Posted By: Derid


Theres 8... I might post up some more later just for the hell of it, but now I should probably do some actual work.



Its Friday. Nothing gets done on Friday.

More info on #4,5.

How is 1,2,3 would be any different during any other Administration?

What does #6 has to do with POTUS?


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For 4 and 5...

Heck dont take it from me... heres a sampling of some hard right wing sources though.
For whistleblowing:

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/04/o...s-combined.html

http://www.whistleblower.org/press/press...e-espionage-act

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/04/06...r-John-Kiriakou

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/27/busine...a-equation.html

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On Enemies list:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/dougschoen/2012/05/14/the-obama-white-house-enemies-list/
(Forbes might not be a hard left source, but the article is written by a Dem pollster)

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/pete...nst-gop-funders

Its hard to find sources that you would accept on this topic, because while its widely reported on right leaning and independent segments, not much has been said by the leftist apparatus yet.

But I will say that numerous Tea Party groups have been recently investigated and interrogated by the IRS.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/11/send-us-everything/

Btw the type of non-profit the Tea Parties claim is the same type as other groups like ACORN and MEdia Matters etc work under.. not the "you get a tax deduction for giving" kind.


For 1,2,3 - I do not see a President Paul for example engaging in that type of crap. In any case, wrong is wrong is wrong. I dont buy into the "the other guy does it too" crap.

For #6 http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/decision-cut-pensions-political-decision-emails-sh/nQDBg/

Lots of fingers also pointing to Geithner.. do you think Geithner made an "in-a-vacuum" decision to chop non-union pensions and make the union employees whole? Do you think Obama was not in on that decision? I would find that *extremely hard to believe... and in any case, any President needs to be help accountable for the actions of their cabinet level officials. If the cabinet level guy does it, and the PResidents office and campaign defends as opposed to investigating it... I put it squarely on the shoulders of the Prez.


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Originally Posted By: sinij
@ Kaotic, none of your examples hold up "how is that different from any other Administrations?" test. You stated that Obama is "evil" and "least open" of all Administrations, but you compare it to his promised standard. I agree, he did not deliver on his election promise of openness, but this is not what you are arguing here.
Actually it is what I'm arguing. I'm saying that he intentionally lied to get elected, has lied to us ever since getting elected and, judging from the commercials now running on television, will say absolutely anything to get re-elected. Believing that the ends justify the means, which is how he defends his lies and half truths, is walking right down the path to evil. He's either walking it or he's there. Take your pick.


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Originally Posted By: sinij
What does #6 has to do with POTUS?
It's simple, if he wants to take credit for "saving the auto industry" as he so regularly does, then he has to also take credit for the underhanded back room dealings that went to help his campaign donors in the unions and screwed everyone else.


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1) Administration worked to keep Bradley Manning in torture-like conditions to force a confession.

I would really like you to go more indepth on this one.

Also one thing I consider to be evil regardless of who is in office is the POTUS to issue kill orders for American Ciztens.

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Better yet tell us Obama's... he's the sitting President and still hasn't put forth a balanced budget going on 4 years... now that's something.


You know what else he hasn't down in 4 years? Mow the lawn. You know why? Because it is not his fucking job.


Then why are you implying that its Romneys job? Dont you care that Obamas plan to reduce the deficit et al are total bullshit, and according tou you, not hos job anyway.

you are probably going to say that the presidents job isnt to propose budgets. its also not hos job to reduce the budget, right? both are actually congress' job

so far, Sinij, your attempts to use Alinsky have been miserable failures. Give it up


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Originally Posted By: Kaotic
I think that Obama is actively and intentionally evil.


Originally Posted By: Kaotic
Obama is demonstrably the least transparent president we've ever had.


Unbelievable. You guys have truly gone off the deep end. I can only hope the rest of the country agrees with me.

With the addition of Paul Ryan to the republican ticket, I am more resolved than ever to support Obama and what I consider the CLEAR lessor of two evils.


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Originally Posted By: JetStar
Originally Posted By: Kaotic
I think that Obama is actively and intentionally evil.


Originally Posted By: Kaotic
Obama is demonstrably the least transparent president we've ever had.


I am more resolved than ever to support Obama


[no] [no]


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Originally Posted By: JetStar
Originally Posted By: Kaotic
I think that Obama is actively and intentionally evil.


Originally Posted By: Kaotic
Obama is demonstrably the least transparent president we've ever had.


Unbelievable. You guys have truly gone off the deep end.


Sadly. Jet have you seen http://90days90reasons.com/ ?


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With the addition of Paul Ryan to the republican ticket, I am more resolved than ever to support Obama and what I consider the CLEAR lesser of two evils.


Yes, but Paul Ryan going to be popular with GOP. People who weren't excited about Romney because he wasn't 'hardcore right' enough now will support the ticket. There is chance now that Romney/Ryan ticket might win.

Speaking of cronyism, if they win you can kiss you Medicare and Social Security goodbye, because it will all be turned into "other people's money" for the Wall Street to gamble with.

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