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he Philosophy of the Technology of the Gun

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the perceptual affordances offered by gun possession and the transformative consequences of yielding to these affordances. To someone with a gun, the world readily takes on a distinct shape. It not only offers people, animals, and things to interact with, but also potential targets. Furthermore, gun possession makes it easy to be bold, even hotheaded. Physically weak, emotionally passive, and psychologically introverted people will all be inclined to experience shifts in demeanor. Like many other technologies, Ihde argues, guns mediate the human relation to the world through a dialectic in which aspects of experience are both "amplified" and "reduced". In this case, there is a reduction in the amount and intensity of environmental features that are perceived as dangerous, and a concomitant amplification in the amount and intensity of environmental features that are perceived as calling for the subject to respond with violence.


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I didn't see any studies cited in that article so that I could verify the veracity of Mr. Ihde's claims. I did notice, however, that he is a "philosopher." You'd think if someone had actual credentials and studies to back up their claims of the effects that guns have on people, it would be cited in the article. Instead the author appears to have wallowed around on the internet for a few minutes until he managed to find two philosophers who made statements that appeared to corroborate the point he wanted to make about how guns are bad. This is simply more of the same tripe that gets served up in our society of late that attempts to put the responsibility for someone's actions on anything but that person.

Do people do stupid things with guns? Sure. They also do stupid things with cars. Do we blame the car when a drunk driver kills someone? Not yet, we currently attempt to blame the bartender. Sheesh!

I've been around guns my entire life and I can tell you that in that environment a gun is a tool. Now, if you take some kid out of the city and put a gun in his hand, he likely will feel more powerful. I'd say the problem here is not with the gun, but rather with the fact that the child wasn't exposed to these tools in anything other than movies where violence is glorified. If "say hello to my little friend" is the sum total of your gun experience then you've never been taught to treat them with the respect they require. Just like a kid from the city would have no idea how dangerous it is to drive a tractor pulling a hay cutter, an everyday tool for some people and a weapon of considerable destruction in the wrong hands.

Personal responsibility is the key to our system of government. When we take that away or convince people that it doesn't matter or exist, then you'll get the socialist utopia that Marx wrote of, and we'll all get to experience first hand what 20th century Russia/China/N. Korea was like.


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How I Ended My Lifelong Love Affair With Guns

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We need stronger legal controls on gun ownership, including not only background checks but mental fitness exams and mandatory training. There should be at least as much required to own a gun as there is to obtain a driver's license. Instead, even people on the government's terrorist watch list are legally able to purchase firearms.

There are obvious reasons that firearms in the hands of civilians make less and less sense: denser populations; higher powered weaponry; ever-looser regulation that prevents weapons from being effectively tracked from owner to owner, better enabling sales to criminals. But just as important is the dissolution of the social mores that once corralled the behavior of civilian gun-owners: the knowledge of one's neighbors; a sense of participation in a community; respect for others, even if their political views didn't align with your own.

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Never mind the drive-bys, the accidental homicides, the random schoolchildren hit by stray gunfire. The statistics began to speak for themselves: Every year there are 30,000 gun deaths and 300,000 gun-related assaults in the U.S. As PBS's Bill Moyers points out in an excellent commentary, far more Americans have been casualties of domestic gunfire than have died in all our wars combined.



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Originally Posted By: Kaotic
Personal responsibility is the key to our system of government. When we take that away or convince people that it doesn't matter or exist, then you'll get the socialist utopia that Marx wrote of, and we'll all get to experience first hand what 20th century Russia/China/N. Korea was like.


The cat you're quoting has no idea what he's talking about. In order to buy a gun from a retailer you must submit to an ATF/FBI background check. If someone who isn't supposed to own a gun is allowed to purchase one, its not because of too few regulations, rather it's because of a failure of the monstrous bureaucracy that is our federal government.

I had an anecdote here but I decided it was too personal to leave up.

The rules are there. The bureaucracy is broken.

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Originally Posted By: sinij
How I Ended My Lifelong Love Affair With Guns

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We need stronger legal controls on gun ownership, including not only background checks but mental fitness exams and mandatory training. There should be at least as much required to own a gun as there is to obtain a driver's license. Instead, even people on the government's terrorist watch list are legally able to purchase firearms.

There are obvious reasons that firearms in the hands of civilians make less and less sense: denser populations; higher powered weaponry; ever-looser regulation that prevents weapons from being effectively tracked from owner to owner, better enabling sales to criminals. But just as important is the dissolution of the social mores that once corralled the behavior of civilian gun-owners: the knowledge of one's neighbors; a sense of participation in a community; respect for others, even if their political views didn't align with your own.

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Never mind the drive-bys, the accidental homicides, the random schoolchildren hit by stray gunfire. The statistics began to speak for themselves: Every year there are 30,000 gun deaths and 300,000 gun-related assaults in the U.S. As PBS's Bill Moyers points out in an excellent commentary, far more Americans have been casualties of domestic gunfire than have died in all our wars combined.



Murder rates in the US have increased since the 60s (the Gun Control Act.) The minute this nation decided to put harsher restrictions on guns, more people were killed by them.

Remember the westerns you grew up watching? Well, if you do a little research about those times, when people wore guns all the time, and everywhere, you will find that the murder rates, and even crime rates over all, were FAR lower than they are now, even when reconciling the population differences.


There is nothing wrong with the 15,000+ gun laws that we have now, other than our legal system doesn't punish to the full extent when they should. People that want to do harm to others will find a way to get a gun if that's their weapon of choice. There is NOTHING you can do about it!

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Remember the westerns you grew up watching? Well, if you do a little research about those times, when people wore guns all the time, and everywhere, you will find that the murder rates, and even crime rates over all, were FAR lower than they are now, even when reconciling the population differences.


Times were different, education were different. People were raised with greater control of their parents. No television, no this widespread drug use. People begun to work to aid their parents as soon were teenagers of even when kids. Overall people behavior were different.

While I would agree that if the bad guys acknoledged that people would have guns to counter-attack, if we put this to a today situation, that doesnt mean that they will not try "steal" something. I personally believe that would cause more casualities than actually save people.

But Right now I also think that people would have the right to defend themselves, even with that raising overall the death toll. So both sides have some good arguments.

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Originally Posted By: Kaotic
Personal responsibility is the key to our system of government.
Apparently I needed to make this bold and larger because everyone seems to be ignoring it.

Everyone seems to forget that the reason for the second amendment isn't personal protection, tradition, hunting, collecting or crime prevention/deterrence. The reason for the second amendment is to afford the citizenry the ability to protect itself against/overthrow a tyrannical government.

"Oh, but we live in a more civilized environment than we did 200 years ago. That sort of thing isn't necessary any longer."

Bullshit. The world is full of tyrants and dictators and the elite on both sides of the political isle in this country firmly believe that they know, better than you, what is good for you and what isn't, and they are chomping at the bit to give themselves the power to take away your freedoms in the name of "progress" or "fairness" or whatever the buzzword of the hour is. If you want to be defenseless if the time ever comes when you need to stand up for yourself and your neighbors against an out of control government, that is your choice but I'll be damned if I sit by silently and allow that right to be taken away from everyone else just so some folks can sleep better at night, nestled snugly in the arms of the delusion that forbidding guns to law abiding citizens some how keeps them out of the hands of criminals.

Michael Bloomberg and the rest of the anti gun leftists can go take a flying leap off the nearest tall building in all their hypocritical glory.

"You can't be trusted to have a gun little person. Besides, you don't really need one. My security team? Oh, well, they have to be able to protect me. After all, if something happened to me, who would be left to look out for you? I say, is that a 20oz soda you're holding? Guards! Arrest that man!"

What a bloviating windbag. I don't care what party he claims to represent. He and his ilk are all big government "doo-gooders" (read as "road to hell construction workers") who believe that the ends justify the means. No thank you.


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I respect your response and salute constructive tone of this conversation, but I have not read anything that would change my point of view.


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Originally Posted By: sinij
I respect your response and salute constructive tone of this conversation, but I have not read anything that would change my point of view.

Fair enough.


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Chuckle:

Why do the little people need guns ? Ask Syria :D

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