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Personally I am always impressed by people brave enough to stand up for what they believe in with their faces covered...

If I understood that video, the muslims were allowed to call for the violent destruction of the U.S.A. but other British citizens weren't allowed to place some sort of remembrance to lives lost? That's the disgraceful result of political correctness.

Wow, where do I even begin with you guys.

Obviously we all believe what we believe, and we can all produce facts to support our statements. Since I am seriously out numbered here, and know for a fact that no matter what I produce it is not going to change any of your minds, nor will any of you be able to change mine.

I guess we wait and see what is going to happen.

I can tell you right now, and please quote me. There is no way that Ron Paul will be elected president under any circumstances. He just doesn't have the support to compete.

Some final thoughts:

1) I am not a socialist by any means.
2) Not sure where the Islam shit came in, but Ron Paul and I agree about the Afgan and Iraq wars. In Afghanistan, we should have kicked ass, and left. Stick and move. Not get in to Nation building. Someone said, "I didn't see Bush and Cheney getting rich". But Halliburton sure did. For anyone to defend the Iraq war at this point is just crazy. Bad intel, bad decisions, and a waste of lives and money.
3) As for GM, I am sure none of you complained when Reagan bailed out Chrysler the first time. I don't hear anyone calling Reagan a socialist. As for the Ford argument, Ford restructured all it's debt just before the great recession and got lucky. Read up on it.
4) As for the housing stuff. Ever tried to get a Mortgage? It is not as easy as everyone thinks. The banks did the lending, noone twisted their arms. I find it amazing that you defend these crooks.
5) I am pro-death penalty, I am just pointing out the hypocrisy from the right. Doesn't the bible say thou shall not kill? I am not religious (I believe in science and not the talking snake), but I love how the right cherry picks what commandments and verses to honor and which ones to ignore.
6) Finally science. How many republicans believe in evolution? How can anyone with a tiny bit of intellect cannot do the math when it comes to climate change?

Anything look fishy here? Yes these are from ice cores if you didn't know. CO2 is a greenhouse gas. Do the math.

Again, I respectfully disagree on soooo many levels with you right wingers, and I guess we are going to have to see what happens.

Oh by the way, I was a small business owner from 1990 to 1996, so I don't need any lessons from anyone here.

Vuldan, make sure to read my comments above regarding the Death thing. I am just pointing out the hypocrisy.

I think you guys forgot about this, "President Bush signs historic $700 billion plan aimed at stemming credit crisis."
Its ok when your boy does it, but when they blacky mcblackman does it we are raising the Soviet flag.
See http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/03/news/economy/house_friday_bailout/index.htm if you conveniently forgot.

1. No offense, but you certainly come across like a socialist. Wanting to take my stuff and give it to my less well off neighbor, is generally construed as socialism.

2. I agree with you on this.

3. I would have, had it happened recently.

4. You are flat out wrong here, it may be difficult now... but pre crash it was insanely easy.It was even easier if you were in one of the Fed-targetted groups/demographics for housing assistance. The guy in the office above me a few years ago ran the local office of one of those "mortgage companies". We used to trade favors, and whatnot.. I would fix his PC an cook up spreadsheets for him.. he would help me out with random shit. I got a pretty good inside scoop on how that shit worked, fuck, I saw the paperwork. You could literally walk in off the street and make random shit up, put it on your loan app and nab a house. No, I am not exaggerating.

5. I am anti death penalty, our govt screws it up way too much. Lots of people are put down that did not deserve it. If guilt is certain, then fine - no problem. Its also typically more expensive to execute than just let em rot in prison.

6. I think most GOPers believe in evolution TBH. Anyhow, 20 years ago the general consensus was we were headed into a new Ice Age. Climate science is much too young to take with anything but a grain of salt, and scientists in general are pretty good at missing the forest due to the trees. Large scale chaotic patterns are not something we have nailed yet... if the current consensus is still in place in another 20 years, then it will be worth heeding.

In any case, it doesnt matter. If humans are causing a long term warming trend, we are fucked regardless of what BS regulations we put in place. The rapidly industrializing 5 or so billion people in the world absolutely guarantee that. Unless we are willing to go to war to prevent carbon use by others, we are powerless to effect any meaningful change. Thats some math you can take to the bank.

If that turns out to be the case, then the only hopes we have are simple - new tech to adapt to a warmer planet, or advances in "green" energy that make it more cost effective than carbon based energy. Either we will have it or we wont. Its really that simple. Unless we want to start fighting wars over carbon.

Human global warming is a valid theory, but there are prominent dissenters ( outside of the crackpots the left likes to cite ), and the science is still extremely young as far as analysis of this magnitude go. Pay attention and continue to study? Absolutely. Go off in an alarmist panic? Not advisable.

Besides, cleaner tech should be commercially viable by the time global warming started to make any significant impact.

I thought it was pretty sickening, to see London police arresting people that were standing up against the extremist's. Yet they weren't the ones with the megaphones screaming death & destruction. Very very shameful, they are so scared to piss off those extremists they are turning on their own.

Now I understand why Bush was reelect after 4 years

1) I am not a socialist by any means.
I am not certain that I am going to be convinced simply because you stated that here with conviction. :-) You are who you are, but I certainly appreciate the debate.

2) Not sure where the Islam shit came in, but Ron Paul and I agree about the Afgan and Iraq wars. In Afghanistan, we should have kicked ass, and left. Stick and move. Not get in to Nation building. Someone said, "I didn't see Bush and Cheney getting rich". But Halliburton sure did. For anyone to defend the Iraq war at this point is just crazy. Bad intel, bad decisions, and a waste of lives and money.

Not sure where Islam got mixed into all this either, except perhaps the statements about the War. Entering Iraq for the reasons it was done, at the time, even with the bad intel, was coming no matter what. Son finishing daddies mess and all that. It wont change anything at this point. A few years and the place will be another despots playgound.

3) As for GM, I am sure none of you complained when Reagan bailed out Chrysler the first time. I don't hear anyone calling Reagan a socialist. As for the Ford argument, Ford restructured all it's debt just before the great recession and got lucky. Read up on it.
I actually complained venemously. I do not believe the government should bail out ANY business. If the business is run bad, tough shit. You of all people know this, as IBM has been up and down that ladder many times. I do not believe they have ever taken government money to stay solvent. And I still WILL NEVER buy a Chrysler product, and that now extends to GM. I have never owned anything Chrysler/Dodge for that reason, and even though I love Chevy, I will not ever buy one again. Just me.

4) As for the housing stuff. Ever tried to get a Mortgage? It is not as easy as everyone thinks. The banks did the lending, noone twisted their arms. I find it amazing that you defend these crooks.
I'm gonna have to agree with Derid on this one, before the crisis. Now, it is all but impossible without a downpayment so large it would bankrupt most people.

5) I am pro-death penalty, I am just pointing out the hypocrisy from the right. Doesn't the bible say thou shall not kill? I am not religious (I believe in science and not the talking snake), but I love how the right cherry picks what commandments and verses to honor and which ones to ignore.

Fair enough. I have no religious conviction either, although I do believe in a greater power. You can't ever spend time in a hole in the ground getting shot at and not..LOL. You can lay more war at the feet of religion than any other cause, so we are in agreement there. Dont fall off your chair.

6) Finally science. How many republicans believe in evolution? How can anyone with a tiny bit of intellect cannot do the math when it comes to climate change?

Not sure where this came into the picture, but thhe vast majority of literature and science behind Gore and his global warming has already been debunked. There is a climate shift occuring, man caused perhaps, but more likely the result of the earth itself trying to fix itself for all the shit man does to it.


How about those republican jews voting in Tyler in New York. LOL. Man oh man oh man...district has been democrat since 1920 and now, the people are pissed. Interesting times ahead.

And let me just say, it is a pitty that you are correct, Ron Paul has almost no chance of getting elected. The saving grace there is that your boy..what did you call him..Blackie McBlackman or something..LOL...Obama, I predict right now, while he will be in it, without a huge, and I mean much more than his BS jobs plan, HUGE win on some arena, will not be re-elected either.

You guys talking about socialism this, socialism that.

Your food and gasoline are almost half of price that we pay here in Brazil, but here we do not have the $ income that you guys have, the government heavly subsidizes your agriculture.

So is almost has the government was paying for half of cost of your food, compared with us, so this Health Care about government should not get involved and being a socialist do not compute to me.