The KGB Oracle Forums General Public Discussion (PUBLIC) The Pub Obama - the wrong stuff.

If you, like me, do not like either of the front runners in the upcoming election and find yourself sitting on the fence, please watch this.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s

The clip speaks for itself, but for some food for thought; how does he plan on paying for a "civilian national security force" that equals the strength of our military without raising taxes?

Weren't there similiar civilian miltia forces in communist Russia and Nazi Germany, mainly used as a way for the government to have its citizens spy on their neighbors?

Did I miss something over the last 28 years that made it look like our national defense was in jeopardy? Why this talk of a civilian national defense? Is this some way to illegitamize local and state militias by forming a federal civilian defense?

This whole line of thought is really disturbing to me, and I have to admit that this Tuesday scares the crap out of me.

Thoughts?

It would be scary, except that Bush and Mccain are just as bad/worse. Or I should say, its scary, but no scarier than whats already going on and less scary than the thought of Palin sitting the Oval Office.

Bush is a non-factor. He's gone regardless of what happens, so you can put your mind at ease about him. McCain is not nearly ambitious or extreme enough to pose a threat of this magnitute as far as I can tell. Palin in the White House does raise red flags because she is so bent on religion in her politics, but still not as frightening as the new Gestapo.

Mccain has been in bed with Neocons for years now, and even spoke out against the Courts demanding the Constitution be followed in regards to detainees.

Hell the GOP just stationed a US Military division on US soil for the purpose of "keeping civil order" , your fears about Obama may be well founded but honestly at this point I have become numb to it. But we know the GOP in its current incarnation is bad for liberty, we can just hope your info on Obama is being understood out of context or something... we are screwed either way TBH.

I have a hunch, he was simply referring to funding First Responders and Port Security and civilian police forces, etc... maybe I am wrong but the clip is probably only 20 seconds long for a reason.

everyone always said were screwed either way when election time comes up


I don't think it will be as bad as most people make it out to be .. kinda like when there was the supposed WORLD WILL END Y2K IS GONNA HAPPEN AND EVERYTHING WILL GO HAYWIRE AND SHIT WERE DEAD LETS STOCK FOOD FOR THE NEXT 5 YEARS AND PREPARE FOR HELL


Not quite as bad as predicted i'm sitting good either way it falls election day or hell the next 4-8 years

My biggest concern with Obama ( and the reason he will never
get my vote ) is his stance on gun control.

If he sits in the White House, and the Democrats control
both houses of Congress ( as some predict ) my guess is a full
blown ban on anything more powerful than a pellet gun will
not be far behind.

I hate being force-fed candidates who are completely
useless, then being told how un-American I am for not
voting. Tell you what, I'll go vote until my fingers
fall off as long when we get to choose who the candidates
are.

It's kinda like three wolves and a sheep voting on what's
for dinner. Spin it any way you want, but democracy it
isn't.

everyday being a Libertarian or a Constitutionalist gets more and more unlikely or should I say more difficult for those of us who consider themselves one or the other.

Neither candidate is what I'm looking for... At this point I'm leaning to McCain just to keep gridlock between the legislative and executive branches.

A Democratic President, Senate and House could pass a lot of legislation that most American's probably won't agree with...

While wars always end, entitlement programs never do...

If / when Congress or the residents of the White House finally go to far, they will learn the true reason why
the 2nd Amendment became a reality.

Hint: It's not for hunting / sporting purposes.

Brutal: A 20 second clip from a random speech that contains absolutely no detail is garbage. I don't know if he followed up on that thought, but this clip cuts him short of an explanation.

Daye: In strict context to this thread, wouldn't a "civilian military" need guns? I haven't kept myself up to date on politics recently, but there are conflicting ideas on the table here.

Represent: Y2K, it worked.
1999 - Everyone fears 2000 will come and everything will break.
2000 - George Bush is elected president, everything breaks.