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SHROUD OF THE AVATAR: KGB City?




KGB Supreme Knight Zhou brought up the idea of KGB having it's own property in SOTA. What do you all think?

Here are the details.

Lot Sizes in Meters (for reference):

Row: 10 x 15 = 150 sq
Village: 20 x 30 = 600 sq
Town: 30 x 40 = 1200 sq
City: 40 x 60 = 2400 sq
Keep: 60 x 80 = 4800 sq
Castle: 80 x 120 = 9600 sq

Holdfast: $750 12,600sq
Hamlet: $1200 19,800sq
Village: $1500 25,200sq
Crossroads Village: $2000 33,600sq
Town: $3,000 50,400sq
City: $4,000 67,200sq
Metropolis $5,000 84,200sq

I would be willing to drop the first $500.00. As with all guild owned assets, this would remain in control of the KGB Federal Government and all of you would have full access as long as you remain KGB citizens.

What do you think?

Romeo, pay the man....lol

I originally was planned on buying a smaller option for us when I gathered some funds. Jet brought the idea up to see the level of interest in the guild along with Romeo. I plan to at least match Jet (500.00) or slightly more if their is interest within the guild since it will be owned by the guild and not personal property of anyone.

The only question I'm wondering about it being able to purchase a keep or castle lot in the game. They were created for dukes and LOTM packages. That effects the layout.

Lets think of this game as a place to live and socialize over the long haul. In between the shorter lived games, and when we are not playing Star Citizen, we could hang out and do things here.

I am excited and am an early backer.

Exactly, i plan to use the game to mix with Star Citizen, to give all my MMO needs for years. Space Sims are amazing but you have to add some fantasy in there and this will do it. I'm also a Royal Founder 3days old into Kickstarter.

id be in the boat of totally willing to buy this game and play it if kgb was around to play with i dont have any money to put forth honestly but letting you know i would take advantage of a game like this i f kgb was present

Thanks Morlander. Your presence is more important that any $$ you could give. Already we have enough for a nice property and space for a Castle.

I am all in for it. I could match that with another $500 if we get a big response to help with it I'd be willing to do more.

Its important to note that even if we buy the town as a guild in order to have a house you will need to purchase a plot deed then the style house you want (unless you have donated and already have both).

At least they will have a spot saved for them and can work their way to purchasing it without a feeling of being rushed.

Once we see the general interest, and decide on a town option, then people have to decide the level of home and to make sure they can pay the upkeep if they don't have a tax free lot. We will have a set sq ft to work with but I'm sure we can try to accommodate as much as possible. The more interest the bigger the city. There are already 2 Metropolis purchased by large organizations.

We will be able to name our NPC buildings, our npcs and design the layout with the dev team and name the city and much more. So it's a nice feature.

My only concern is the guild HQ building. Ever since adding the Keep and Castle lots they have been quite if they can be bought in game or only through pledge. That kind of decides the central layout if that happens.

***The possibility so far of $1,500.00 Village***

I'm in the same boat as Morlander except that I already have the game (thanks again Zhou). Just don't have that kind of money but would definitely play.

Game hasn't been released and they already whoring it out like this. This isn't even micro transactions, more like Mega transactions.

It's the new style of gaming for mmo's. Going to have to get use to it. More games going this route. No different then Star Citizen selling capital ships, or gold in gw2, it's just funding.

I agree and disagree. It is the new style, in this instance, they are not receiving the support they see games like Star Citizen receive and are trying to balance that out I think. Personnally I am still on the fence for this one, even though I am a founder.

Having said that, I am in. If wee are going to do this, then do it UO style. Buy the biggest damn town you can, and ensure you have room for everyone that has already bought houses etc. Not sure how all of that is going to interface.

count me in

Yes and no. Sure, companies that feel financially threatened are bolder with their monetization, but all companies do this kind of cash grab. I feel any time anyone pays into this flawed system encouraging more of the same.

As to financial need for Shroud, Richard is a wealthy individual that already went out with hat in hand on kickstarter and so on.

If you cant beat em, join em.

MMO operators apparently cant beat gold sellers, so they join em. If someone like Roms is gonna spend hundreds of dollars at launch buying gold from isellgolddotcom , why not eliminate the middle man?

What I wish, was that they operated like 503(c)(3) and published their cost structure. IE where does the money go. I wouldnt mind dropping a grand on a virtual castle if I had any faith in the developers.

I do have one account with i think founder status, so i will be playing as long as the pvp is fun.

Sounds like a great idea. I'll have to see how much I can contribute. I'm retiring at the end of the year, and my wife is already paranoid about finances. It may have to be a stealth contribution . SHHHHHH. ;)

If we do decided to go through with this and purchase something. I believe it is still able to be melted down and you can upgrade it to a large town if we get more funding.

is there at KGB pal pay account?

Use to be instrument but our TS license required to remove it. Best bet is probably to gift SOTA store credit chips in the ad don store to jets KGB account, if we're set on grabbing a town.

I just don't trust Richard anymore. He is even more batty then he was in the 90's. After Star Citizen, I put my foot down about "Pre-Funding" titles before they even have anything to show. One of the things that worries me about both SC and SotA is that both of these Game Studios heads have shown an amazing talent of enriching there own lives through there projects. Right now, CR is living the dream with our money and is so deep in the hole on promises he will have to deliver the best Space Sim MMO ever to even come close to meeting the promises he made. At least with SotA, Richard has learned that over promising will lead to significant let down over time and SotA doesn't have the raw number of people backing it to afford people walking away from the project.

The "Twitch Effect" isn't helping either of these games. The short term ADHD effect of current main stream gamers who flutter from new title to new title and grind through the content in the first week to two weeks and then move on is at a frenzy. This reality is further enforced with the over popularization of streaming and those streamers continually only playing the newest games in order to generate viewer ship and the whoring of those titles in give aways as product placement by the companies making said title.

The only real saving grace anymore for longevity of a title is a pseudo e-sport functionality and something that placates to short attention spans and limited in-game time. The reality is no one cares about killing rabbits and turning them in. The "Level Grind" is a significant deterrent anymore to even playing a game. The reality is, developers are learning that no one wants to level to get to the PvP or end content. Make your game about PvP or the End Content and get rid of all the pre-leveling to get to that point.

In short, I am on the fence about SotA until I have any degree of confidence that this project isn't going to crash and burn or just truly suck balls and be another grinder.

This.

Same

For those still on the fence or just wanting to see the progress of the game production I stream the events they usually do.

Zhou takes me around and shows everything and then I spend time engineering builds.

I'll try to give advance notice of the next time.

Now back to attempting to whore myself out to local refineries.

End of July Release 8 advance notice Donk, PVP will start.

$$ UPDATE

We are up to $1000 donated with mine included. I am waiting to hear if the other contributor wants it public.

Nice! I'll send my share shortly.

Hey we are up to $1500.00

We are at $2000.00 (If this one person that wants to be anonymous really wanted to donate $1000.00)

Here is what I am looking at:

Player Owned Crossroads Village
Have you ever wanted to own an entire scene? Now you can! A Crossroads Village is the size of one of the larger wooded player villages in the Hidden Vale. (and then some!)


Includes:
33,600 m2 of player lots
A design session with the Dev Team to define details including:
Name of Town
Location: Roughly which quadrant of the map. (Exact hex will be determined by Portalarium, Inc.)
Biome: Forest, Mountains, Grasslands, Swamp, etc.
NPC Building Definition (inn, smithy, etc.)
NPC names and stories
Lot Selection: Determine which lots of which size you want. For example at this size:
56 Village Lots
40 Village Lots + 1 Castle Lot
etc.
X Keys to X Locked Lots:
Keys equal to the number of lots chosen
Owner of the keys can lock and unlock lots at will so they can actively control who gets to live there
The key owner can evict an occupant and lock the lot using the key
Players will still need lot deeds to claim the lots once the town owner unlocks the lots
Central Square with 4 NPC owned buildings
Add On Store Houses:
2 Add On Store Village Houses
2 Add On Store Town Houses
1 Add On Store City House

Depending on the people willing to pony up, we could go bigger, but 40 lots and 1 castle is pretty awesome.

Remember Jet you can design any sort of lots based on that structure, it just can't exceed the square feet. We might make it to a higher tier.

Not sure what other people plan to place based on their pledge or owned lots. People have different tiers of houses and some have 2x lots.

You can either purchase one now and remelt it later for a bigger one or keep the donating going for the month and then purchase one, i think we have plenty of time to purchase.

Well lets see what else comes in and get the size City we can afford. Right now we can afford the one I posted. The next step up is a major upgrade.

Hey any ideas for names. In shadowbane we used sanctuary. We could do KGB Santuary. I have also used Pentagon City in the past.

What do you all think?

Sanctuary!

Good old name with plenty of history. We can name our NPC's too so you will be able to add deKGB for last names probably.

Feel free to reuse the name.... but not the civil engineering plan.

I have put in $85 already and plan to play this one. I am 100% in on this one. Long live Richard Garriot :-)

Not 100% sure but I have kept my eye on it since the start.

Does anyone have an account that I can use during the next testing phase so i can check it out?

Ya I can, just come in ts3 next release

hey game looks kinda cool Ill keep tabs and I might jump into it with you guys gonna start back on night shift next week so im gonna have alot of free time on my nights off again.

I've been preaching for years but I guess some people are finally starting to see the light. A good PvP player run game should not use levels and skill level in the PvP part of the game.
Make the gear be the difference and allow anyone to give gear they collected (by crafting, questing or slaying other players) to anyone. Then guilds become more than a group but real war machines, new players can join and enjoy PvP on day 1 if they have friends already playing.

See: Fundamental problem with DFO
Player 1 buys game
Player 1 logs into game
Player 1 realizes after 10 hours in game they are many years behind the Stat and Skill curve and logs out to cancel subscription.

anyone playing this currently im considering grabbing it id like to play it with people tho curious if people are playing it when its available and are entertained by it enough to come back each time more is available to play

I try out each release and the new features when the become available each month.

I have $2000.00 right now. I am going to wait a few weeks to make final purchase. I am going to try and put in another $500 as I would like to get to town size.

just fyi on town size those plots to place a house are 500 bucks which will effectively bump a lot of us out of buying one at least with real cash

When he means town size hes talking about the $3000.00 town player city size with 50,400 sqaure feet of property, not the town lot.

Don't worry about buying one with real cash. Play the game and earn the gold in game to purchase the lot. Since Jet controls the Town he can prevent any player unless he unlocks the right to place on any lot in the city based on the layout and types used to fulfill the total square feet. He also controls the right to evict any player from any lot within his town.

I want to earn a Town or City lot in game and place that somewhere. You can have more than 1 house if you can maintain the monthly upkeep. Base what you think you want as a lot on if you can maintain the play time.

Hi all, we just hit 2500, which is in striking distance of the town.

I am going to give it 10 days to see if we can make it to a City. Town is NOT bad though. THANKS TO ALL THAT DONATED!

PvP Option for Player Owned Towns

Community member Duke Violation suggested that we allow players to be able to set Open PvP for their player owned towns and we thought that was a brilliant idea, so we're adding that option to the Owner's Console for Player Owned Towns! Thanks Duke Violation!

Ok, you slackers. I'm the guy who just pushed us to $2500. (SHHHHH. Don't tell my wife ;) )

I know not everyone can drop a wad of cash on something like this, but $50 from ten guys buys just as much as $500 from one guy, and we all regularly drop that much or more on a game all the time.

If nothing else, the KGB town in SotA can serve as a virtual extension to the Oracle, where we can all get together in our very own mead hall. At best, we can find out for ourselves what is best in life.

"To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!"

That's a part of the ongoing discussion of player owned property in dev+ access! along with council systems , etc

If you can wait till the 1st of August and we have not reached $3,000.00 I might be able to donate another $250.00. I already dropped $500.00.

I've been pretty excited about this title for awhile now, having KGB active in it would push it over the net win edge for sure.

If it can wait until the start of next month im in for $250. Game is sounding awesome.

They are also gonna do a layaway option for towns read that somewhere today.

Hate to burst the dream on a castle however, unless your a Duke (Keep Lot) or a Lord of the Manor (Castle Lot) these will not be available for purchase in the add on store or in game. They are only obtainable as a pledge. So the max lot size you can place on is a "City Lot"

The pledge has been changed and adjusted accordingly and this was said from Darkstarr. I'll keep up any new info.

For those people having hesitation on a KGB owned asset with donated money to the Clan. Let me assure you that in the last decade I have seen very few individuals, let alone Clans that are as honest as Jet, Romeo and the inner Cadre. If nothing else and SotA is a complete bust (hopefully not) you will still have full access to any KGB asset as long as you are member in good standing, even after every KGB but you has quite the title.

Just food for thought for some people that may have never been part of a KGB owned asset and are straddling the fence.

Thanks Tas

1997 to 2014 is actually 17 years since we got our first guild owned keep in UK.

Unless they are named Jedule...zing!

Zinger!!!!!

Some of us have only been affiliated with KGB for a decade. Ya know us "kids" of the Clan.

Hangout of the Avatar ~ Player Towns
Join us for the next Hangout of the Avatar this Friday, July 18th at 3pm CDT. Starr and Richard will be having having an in-depth discussion about Player Towns in Shroud of the Avatar, so you definitely don’t want to miss it! I’ll be taking your questions about in the chat-room, and in advance on right here in the comments.

Going to answer some questions regarding player owned towns.

Apparently next weekend they have their big PvP R8 test, a bunch of folks from work are going to take a look. If any of you have access, I'd love to hear what you think of it.

don't go upsetting arch he is one of the KGB in my time zone

The Battle of Agincourt was won by Longbow mainly, it wasn't really a battle so much as it was target practice, the French would have slaughtered the British otherwise.

the mud helped

British ego =)

lol

The French would have slaughtered the British had they not gotten their asses kicked by charging their cavalry into infantry in flooded muddy fields where they were easily dismounted and shelled like crabs stuck on their backs.

As my signature block says...

ok back on subject of town they have updated the FAQ
PLAYER OWNED TOWNS



Will I be able to choose where the lots will be placed in my town?

We will be building the player owned towns from templates and modifying them based on requests. Players can submit a general layout request and we will get as close as we can based on our starting templates.



Can players help design their towns; even what kind of biome it has?

We will be building the player owned towns from templates and modifying them based on requests. Players can submit detailed requests, like biomes, and we will get as close as we can based on our starting templates.



Can town owners select their NPC buildings? Will I also be able to decide where they are placed?

Yes, players can pick which NPC buildings they want (number of buildings based on town size). We will be building the player owned towns from templates and modifying them based on requests. Players can submit layout requests for the town including NPC building location and we will get as close as we can based on our starting templates.



Do we get to create the lore for our town and name the NPC’s?

Yes!



Can we pick where our Town is located in Novia?

Yes, players can request a location for their town. As stated in the Add-on Store, the location will be limited to roughly the “quadrant of the map”. Exact hex location will be determined by Portalarium. This is because we have to place and balance them around plot points, dungeons, and adventure areas.



Can a town be upgraded? If so, how will that work?

For Episode 1, upgrading to a bigger town from an already established town will require replacing the old map with a new, larger map. This means players will have to store and move their houses from the old map to the new map



Does a town generate income for the owner? Do we get a part of the tax on used lots or make money from our vendors?

For Episode 1, we currently do not plan to have these towns generate income for the owner via the game systems. However players are free to earn income by renting the lots in their town to other players.



How will sieges effect player owned towns?

Though it was not in our origional design to have seiges impact player owned towns, but if players think this would be fun we could expand the sieges to include player owned towns. However, some PvP options will be available to Town Owner.



Can I flag my player owned town as an Open PVP Zone?

Yes you can! *cue wild west music*



When can I start my design session with the team?

We will be contacting town owners in the next few months to get this process started.



How will you schedule the design sessions and how will deal with conflicts of location and name requests?

We will be honoring requests based on town size and purchase date. Example: Metropolis owners will go first and they will be sorted by purchase date with oldest purchase having highest priority.

Can't get upset from events which happened some centuries ago.

Entente Cordiale

had to google that one hehehe

I for one will be on for Release 8. Not sure how much but I plan to try out the PVP etc. Please keep in mind it is still early, the animations suck, it is sluggish and we can hope all that will change. Who all is planning to be on for release 8?

Just added $50, wish I could afford more but my wife will kill me as it is for that much lol. This is a very exciting opportunity and I want to be a part of it!

Every little bit helps. Were keeping it going till right after the top of the month. Trying to get the Town for $3,000.00 i think were rather close.

I'll be testing pvp tonight in the Dev+ test, and ill try some of it out later this weekend, but I'll also be testing Destiny out as well.

Got some testing in. The deck system is different needs work but has its advantages over using standard hotbar setups. Melee combat owns atm with the damage compared to spells. Not much in the magic department to use. Some are much better than others.

Hi All,

Things have slowed down. I think I am going to talk to Romeo about his interest. At this point, I can make up the difference to get us to 3k which represents the town size.

Maybe we can get to City status.